HOCKEY this was bound to happen

[RoadDawg]

Originally posted by WicKeD_WaYz
wait a second so theres guys on the ice that are just their to fight?

and how do I get this job? :)


i might have to start watching hockey now. how often do they fight?

Go to Kings vs Ducks games. Always seems to be some good hits and the occasional scrap.

[ShooterJM]

See I disagree. I think the right thing was done in the first period by Cooke. (That is, if you go ahead and assume there needs to be retaliation for a clean hit far from the boards. )

I do think it was a combination, of all three. But realistically what are you going to do when your up 8-2? Roll out your top two lines for extended periods to run the score up more? Especially when it's obvious the team your playing has been reduced to fighting your stars (Blake)? No you roll four lines, keep the shifts short and hope the other guy isn't the offspring of a baboon and a barbarian.

I do agree with your idea of a punishment though. Except I'd throw in that his suspension is only active when the league is active (it's not effected by the CBA and a possibly shortened season).

[Thordic]

NHL suspends Bertuzzi through Stanley Cup Playoffs, future status to be determined

Vancouver organization fined $250,000

TORONTO - Vancouver Canucks' forward Todd Bertuzzi has been suspended for the remainder of the 2003-04 season, including the final 12 regular-season games plus the entire 2004 Stanley Cup Playoffs. In addition, Mr. Bertuzzi's eligibility for the 2004-05 NHL season will be determined by Commissioner Gary Bettman prior to the start of training camp. This suspension is the result of a blind-side punch that injured Colorado Avalanche forward Steve Moore in NHL Game #1028 on March 8.
Bertuzzi was assessed a match penalty under Rule 52, Deliberate Injury of Opponent, at 8:41 of the third period. Under the Collective Bargaining Agreement, based on his average annual salary, Bertuzzi will forfeit at least $501,926.39. This amount will be paid by the Club into the Players' Emergency Assistance Fund.

"Mr. Bertuzzi pursued Mr. Moore on the ice, attempting to engage him in a confrontation," said Colin Campbell, NHL Executive Vice President and Director of Hockey Operations. "When Mr. Moore declined to engage Mr. Bertuzzi, Mr. Bertuzzi responded by delivering a gloved punch from behind to the side of Mr. Moore's head, rendering him unconscious. Upon falling to the ice, Mr. Moore suffered additional serious injuries. We want to make clear that this type of conduct will not be tolerated in the NHL.
"No final determination on the total duration of Mr. Bertuzzi's suspension has yet been made," Mr. Campbell said. "Mr. Bertuzzi will be required to meet with Commissioner Bettman prior to the start of training camp for the 2004-05 season, at which point Mr. Bertuzzi's eligibility will be reviewed in light of all the available facts at that time, including Mr. Moore's physical status and the progression of his recovery."

The Canucks' organization also has been fined $250,000.
"While we are satisfied that the Vancouver organization did nothing to affirmatively encourage Mr. Bertuzzi's actions, and that it in no way condones what transpired, it must nonetheless accept some responsibility for what took place," Mr. Campbell said. "In light of numerous player comments about Mr. Moore following the Vancouver-Colorado game of February 16, we believe the Vancouver organization ultimately bears some responsibility for monitoring and, to the extent necessary, attempting to moderate the focus of its team. While the League provided appropriate advance warnings to both organizations, and while some steps were apparently taken by the Vancouver organization to ensure a proper focus by the players on the game itself, we believe that more could have and should have been done."

The Vancouver fine money goes to the NHL Foundation which, in turn, makes contributions to a variety of charitable organizations.

[pbcustom98]

IMO he shouldnt play in the NHL or any other organized league for the rest of his life..and this includes house teams...or mens leagues..

Daniel

[puckmaster]

I think the penalty he got was fair. He shouln't be banned for next season. What he did was wrong tho, but he didnt mean for it to go that far. I've been to olympic games,Colorado avalanche games, a whole crap load of minor league games, and i play highschool hockey, and i've seen some stuff as bad, if not worse as what Berttuzi did(injuries werent as bad) that went unpenalized, or at the most, got a 10 minute major. It was just a stupid hit at the wrong time, in the wrong place, with bad results. I dont think he was trying to severly injure him.

Moore is said to be making a full recovery, and i'm almost sure that he will play next year by the articles i've been reading.

And who ever says that hockey is too violent and out of hand, they are dead wrong. Compared to how it was in the late 70's, it is like ballet. A fight back then involved 20 players all over the ice, equipment all over the place, and blood everywhere. A good example of an oldschool fight would be in last friday nights game between ottowa and Phillidelphia. 415 minutes of penalties that game.

Hockey is, has always been, and should always be, a full contact sport, where fights happen. The contact is what makes hockey, hockey. In my highschool games, and i'm sure in higher levels, our coaches but a lot of emphasis and playing the body and not the puck. I've come to realize that is the best way to gain control. without the contact, the games would be high scoring, and not that fun to watch, or play. the only skills that would really be needed would be puck handling and shooting. But with the contact, you need speed, strength, balance, agility, endurance, puck handling, and shooting. With the contact comes some hurt feelings, so do you want players to take there anger and aggression against the other players ON the ice or OFF the ice?

So, with all that said, i think the only action againts him should be that he needs to sit out the rest of THIS season, and a fine. No more than that.

This is HORRIBLE wording. I hope you know what i mean.

EDIT-to fix the spelling.

[pbcustom98]

i think the penalty should jave been more harsh, so people think twice about doing something stupid like this again. what bertuzzi did, was horrible. how can you even begin to compare high school hockey to the NHL ? his actions broke Moore's neck..even if Moore didnt break his neck, Bertuzzi still would of gotten a harsh penalty, but maybe not all the fines and suspensions. i think he still would have gotten a bad suspension for sucker punching Moore. and if you do happen to watch a video of the play again, Bertuzzi CONTINUED to punch Moore while he was on the floor unconscious(sp?)

Daniel

[puckmaster]

Originally posted by pbcustom98
i think the penalty should jave been more harsh, so people think twice about doing something stupid like this again. what bertuzzi did, was horrible. how can you even begin to compare high school hockey to the NHL ? his actions broke Moore's neck..even if Moore didnt break his neck, Bertuzzi still would of gotten a harsh penalty, but maybe not all the fines and suspensions. i think he still would have gotten a bad suspension for sucker punching Moore. and if you do happen to watch a video of the play again, Bertuzzi CONTINUED to punch Moore while he was on the floor unconscious(sp?)

Daniel

I never compared high school hockey to the nhl, i just said that i've seen some crazy stuff in all the levels of play.

After watching the play again, it kinda does look like he continued to punch. but i dont know.

As I said above, my wording of this is HORRIBLE.

[-Carnifex-]

Bertuzzi should be out until Moore recovers or at least two seasons without pay.

I don't think criminal charges should be brought unless pressed by Moore himself.

Bertuzzi's apology was crap.

[Thordic]

Originally posted by -Carnifex-
Bertuzzi should be out until Moore recovers

I liked that idea from the start, Bertuzzi can't play till Moore can. If Moore can't ever play again, well, sorry Todd, but heres to early retirement.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Thordic
NHL suspends Bertuzzi through Stanley Cup Playoffs, future status to be determined

Bertuzzi will forfeit at least $501,926.39. This amount will be paid by the Club into the Players' Emergency Assistance Fund.

Horsehockey, that oughta come out of his salary, not some damned club slush fund.


And I would have suspended him for a full year or the other player is bakc on the ice whichever is LONGER.

[1stdeadeye]

He should not play until Moore recovers. Further, Moore should be paid HIS salary while he recuperates. That was not part of the game, that was pro-wrestling on skates!

[ShooterJM]

A couple of points.

1) The $500K is the remaining portion of Bertuzzi's salary that is yet to be paid. He doesn't get it, the club pays it to the fund instead of Bertuzzi.

2) I've played hockey for years, been involved in a quite a few scraps, been kicked out of a few games. I've never seen anything like that before.

3)I agree that moore should get the payment of bertuzzi's salary, and should be the one to involve the courts if he so chooses.

4) BErtuzzi has to apply to be reinstated into the league next year. Just like McSorely had to. Remember McSorely had a 23 game suspension initially, then when he applied it was lengthened to a year. I read an article that said that the CBA and possible work stoppage had a lot to do with leaving the punishment after this season vauge.