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  • shartley
    paintball player
    • Mar 2001
    • 9169

    #136
    Originally posted by Rooster
    I refuse to beleive that a person can not find work if they truely want it. Farmers where I grew up were begging people to jerk sweet corn for them. One even went so far as to drive up to the capital city and pick up bums to use as labor. He couldn't get more than two. I have two subcontractors that can't find enough english speaking labor (we contractualy stipulate that every crew on one of our jobs must have one guy speaking english). It horrible work, but its work, and it can be found.
    Originally posted by Rooster
    True if someone weighs four hundred pounds, that rules out the military and alot of other things. But if you don't have money to eat, you won't have to worry about being fat for too long. Ultimately your problems arn't my problems, and you have to take responsibility for them, fair or not.
    Originally posted by Rooster
    My father wen't through the same thing. For three years he didn't make a dime, except for what he made doing odd jobs. We were told not to get sick for three years. My mother made 7 dollars an hour with a masters degree in high school education working for head start, where she found out that most of the parents she visited had new clothes, cable, big screen T.V.s, and the kind of stuff we only dreamed about.
    Originally posted by Rooster
    I've been there. The one thing it taught me was that most of the people on public assistance are scum. The second thing it taught me is that life is unfair, how you deal with it is what determines your worth as a human being. The last thing it taught me is that everything I have is becuase I earned it, and I'll be damned if anyone is going to take whats mine without permision. If the government wants my money to pay some scumbag with 15 kids to sit on her butt all day, then the government can send that scum to clean my office and take out my trash. I deserve some work done for me for that fee.

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    • 1stdeadeye
      Still around????
      • Jun 2002
      • 8501

      #137
      Originally posted by shartley
      Okay, since I have had to use food stamps when times were tough I am a scumbag? Because I have 4 kids and had to use public assistance when times were at their roughest I am a scumbag? Because my wife and children were on WIC and public health care when we were having a rough time with things I am scum?

      I agree that there are far too many who abuse the system, and that should be policed. But the system is not the problem nor a bad thing. And when people truly need a hand, it should be there for them.
      I think Rooster needs to clarify his views a bit. There is a huge difference between using the system and abusing the system. Temporary relief as a safety net in society is a must.

      People who make it a way of life need to be kicked off. I think stopping additional benefits for people who have additional children while on welfare is a great start. It has already survived court challanges so we can go with it.

      The safety net is needed. I for one never want to see anyone starving in the streets, but I really want to see the abusers kicked off.

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      • shartley
        paintball player
        • Mar 2001
        • 9169

        #138
        Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


        I think Rooster needs to clarify his views a bit. There is a huge difference between using the system and abusing the system. Temporary relief as a safety net in society is a must.

        People who make it a way of life need to be kicked off. I think stopping additional benefits for people who have additional children while on welfare is a great start. It has already survived court challanges so we can go with it.

        The safety net is needed. I for one never want to see anyone starving in the streets, but I really want to see the abusers kicked off.
        Now THAT I agree with.

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        • Rooster
          Registered User
          • Oct 2000
          • 1069

          #139
          "I think I EARNED a little help when I needed it."

          If all you used is what you paid in, then to me its a non-issue. Its return on investment.

          However, anyone who uses more than thay put in is a charity case. The government shouldn't be involved in charity. That goes for alot of programs like steel protection tariffs, not just welfare.

          I'm not that far removed from my childhood. My father couldn't find work from 90-93. Ten years is a little while, but its not the 1940's or anything. Sometimes you have to get a job where they arn't taking applications.

          Finally, what does it say about our society that the preferable method of taking care of the downtrodden is to steal from others? People used to belong to community organizations that would take care of somebody if times were bad. They would find them honest work, if it was tearing down a barn, or cutting grass, or whatever it might be. Sure, that leaves alot of room for discrimination, but it allows people to do what they think is right, instead of having the government mandate it. Ultimately isn't freedom about having the choice?

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          • aaron_mag
            Registered User
            • Jul 2002
            • 1375

            #140
            Originally posted by Rooster
            Sure, that leaves alot of room for discrimination
            You said it all right there.....
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            • Rooster
              Registered User
              • Oct 2000
              • 1069

              #141
              Its my money, I should be able to do what I like with it. If you want to save the scum of the earth, feel free. I shouldn't be forced to.

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              • 1stdeadeye
                Still around????
                • Jun 2002
                • 8501

                #142
                Originally posted by Rooster
                Its my money, I should be able to do what I like with it. If you want to save the scum of the earth, feel free. I shouldn't be forced to.
                Here is where you need to clarify scum. Abusers yes! Short term help, no!

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                • shartley
                  paintball player
                  • Mar 2001
                  • 9169

                  #143
                  Originally posted by Rooster
                  Its my money, I should be able to do what I like with it. If you want to save the scum of the earth, feel free. I shouldn't be forced to.

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                  • 1stdeadeye
                    Still around????
                    • Jun 2002
                    • 8501

                    #144
                    Originally posted by Rooster
                    Its my money, I should be able to do what I like with it. If you want to save the scum of the earth, feel free. I shouldn't be forced to.
                    Let me add that WIC should always be there. Innocent children are not responsible for their parents poor choices and blunders. Children are NOT scum.

                    Again, clarify your words ore choose them more wisely. Poor vocabulary will only hurt your arguments rather then strenghthening it.

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                    • Rooster
                      Registered User
                      • Oct 2000
                      • 1069

                      #145

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                      • shartley
                        paintball player
                        • Mar 2001
                        • 9169

                        #146
                        Originally posted by Rooster
                        As do we all...... and have.

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                        • Rooster
                          Registered User
                          • Oct 2000
                          • 1069

                          #147
                          "As do we all...... and have."

                          Unfortunately you do not. The government decides who you will support. Whether its some honest guy raising a family who can't catch a break, or its some welfare mom popping out kids to get a bigger share. You have no control over who gets what out of your money, and that is wrong.

                          If I went on welfare tomorrow, would you want to support me? Shouldn't you have the power to determine who you support? Shouldn't you have the power to chose how your money is given to charity?

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                          • shartley
                            paintball player
                            • Mar 2001
                            • 9169

                            #148
                            Originally posted by Rooster
                            "As do we all...... and have."

                            Unfortunately you do not. The government decides who you will support. Whether its some honest guy raising a family who can't catch a break, or its some welfare mom popping out kids to get a bigger share. You have no control over who gets what out of your money, and that is wrong.

                            If I went on welfare tomorrow, would you want to support me? Shouldn't you have the power to determine who you support? Shouldn't you have the power to chose how your money is given to charity?

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                            • Rooster
                              Registered User
                              • Oct 2000
                              • 1069

                              #149
                              Unfortunately certain things have become ingrained in our system, things that came about because of a time of desperation. However, it doesn't make it any less wrong.

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                              • shartley
                                paintball player
                                • Mar 2001
                                • 9169

                                #150
                                Originally posted by Rooster
                                Unfortunately certain things have become ingrained in our system, things that came about because of a time of desperation. However, it doesn't make it any less wrong.

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