Haha, Liberals.

[Rooster]

"Time for him to go....."

Maybe in four years, but Bush isn't going anywhere until then. And our "allies" the axis of weasels, wasn't worth much as allies were they? I hope something really nasty happens to them, like a forth reich stompping on France, so I can laugh as they burn. Understand who your friends are, and if you side with nations against your friends, you better make some new friends fast.

[-Carnifex-]

What I never understood is how no conservatives see that our allies need to do what's best for their country, not ours. The war in Iraq was no necessary for France, so why should they join in?

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by -Carnifex-
What I never understood is how no conservatives see that our allies need to do what's best for their country, not ours.

That's easy to understand. Navel gazing and agrandized self-importance.

Difficult to see anything else when you're blinded by basking in your own light.

[Rooster]

There is a difference between staying out of something thats not your business and trying to be an obstructionist.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Rooster
There is a difference between staying out of something thats not your business and trying to be an obstructionist.

I 100% agree with this statement!!!

France could have stayed out of it as it did not concern them, but instead they ran interference in an effort to stop us! Didn't work though!

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast


And your addled thinking lumps so much together it's questionable that you understand anything.

The EU is anti-socialist? Well, NAFTA ain't getting rid of Canadian socialist policies so how do you figure the EU is gettting rid of the various socialist policies in Europe?

Don't try to think too hard FOL. You might hurt yourself.

SBF apparently your reading comp skills aren't up to the task.

I didn't not say the EU was anti-socialist.

My question was along the lines of "If socialism is alive and well, then why would there be a NEED for the EU"?

But from the looks of your post, it was way over your head.

Please, go back to the coloring books, you're out of your depth here.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
Now people (normal America) has seen how wrong they were. There was a BIG difference. We started throwing our weight around in a way that pissed off our friends and allies. We expended all the capital of goodwill outpouring to us over 9/11 by being heavy handed and arrogant. Time for him to go.....

NORMAL America?

Oh you mean the same pile of jackasses that would appease the Al Qaeda terrorists the same way the Spaniards just did?

And as for your theory that we "threw our weight around".

Hey guess what? All those so called "Allies" you so desparately seem to care about were the SAME ones selling ILLEGAL ARMS TO IRAQ!

Those kinds of allies I can do without.

Heavy handed and arrogant. Unreal, WTF is your head?

Once again it's up to the adults in this country to ensure there IS a country for liberal fools to live in.

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife
My question was along the lines of "If socialism is alive and well, then why would there be a NEED for the EU"?

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife
Oh you mean the same pile of jackasses that would appease the Al Qaeda terrorists the same way the Spaniards just did?

Spain decided it's more important to defend their own borders than participate in someone else's vendetta. How's that appeasement?

And, to fight al-Qaeda, it would be far more useful to break up the cells in Morroco and find the members currently in Europe than run all over Iraq which had nothing to do with al-Qaeda in first place.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
Spain decided it's more important to defend their own borders than participate in someone else's vendetta. How's that appeasement?

Because they ran away. The Popular Party was comfortably ahead until the bombings. After that, the Spanish ran away in droves. That is appeasement. The terrorists achieved their objective. Hence the Spanish rewarded the terrorists for their actions! If this happened in the US, we would now be bombing someone!

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
The Popular Party was comfortably ahead until the bombings.

Yet, 90% of Spaniards were against involvement in Iraq. After Spanish personnel were killed, the issue became more important.

The bombings mobilised the population to express the already existing public demands.

More involvement in Iraq would not help Spain become a safer place. Indeed, being involved in Iraq made Spain a more dangerous place.

But, last I read, the Spanish president-elect had said that if the UN got involved then they would stay.

Glad to se you take bombing people so seriously you give it a smilie ...

Just read a couple really good newspaper articles:
"Spaniards Outraged, not cowardly"
"Spaniards voted against a lie"

They both make the same points. Spain did not indulge in an act of appeasement. Spain voted against a lie and voiced their outrage with the government.

Their government lied and tried to blame the attacks on the ETA when they had proof early on it was al-Qaeda.

Add to that the lie that the war in Iraq was essential to the war on terrorism and the fact that 90% were opposed to participation in the first place.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast


Yet, 90% of Spaniards were against involvement in Iraq. After Spanish personnel were killed, the issue became more important.

Yet, the popular party was still comfortably ahead. Even with Iraq. The bombings are nothing new in Spain. THe ETA has been doing it for decades! The country turned and ran when confronted with Al Queda!

The bombings mobilised the population to express the already existing public demands.

No it frightened them into the socialist arms

More involvement in Iraq would not help Spain become a safer place. Indeed, being involved in Iraq made Spain a more dangerous place.

Yeah and the ETA bombings are due to Iraq as well!

But, last I read, the Spanish president-elect had said that if the UN got involved then they would stay.

You mean Prime Minister-Elect! He left himself an out like all politicians do.

Glad to se you take bombing people so seriously you give it a smilie ...

It was a goof on US response. I figured that you believe us conservatives bomb first and ask questions later!

[Kai]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife




Ehhh wrong oh bastion of communism wannabes...


PW is hardly the opposite of Moveon, they point out using common sense the idiocy the left seems to revel in.

Actually, now that I think of it, they are the opposite. Better spoken, more intelligent, wittier, yeah a complete opposite to that pile of inbred nuggets at moveon.

Cripes the moveon crowd can barely scrape 25 IQ points up between them.

Oh, yeah, like the common sense displayed in their "White Racists for the Left" shirt.

Or their blatantly anti-Islamic statements you will find in the "Religion Of Peace" poster.

Not conservative propaganda at all...

I won't even mention their message boards...

Also, FOL. I love how you claim to use only logic when "refuting" liberals, but most of the time you resort to derogatory remarks. Oh, and if you state something confidently enough, it must be true:

"The earth isn't round, son. Why don't you head back to the kiddie table and let the grownups talk. "

Why don't you follow SBF's lead, and post arguments that are more than cookie-cutter one-liners?

[Lohman446]

Originally posted by aaron_mag


When Bush took office most people were thinking (including myself), "Oh...who really cares. That was why the vote was so close. There is no difference between them anyway (Bush and Gore)."

Now people (normal America) has seen how wrong they were. There was a BIG difference. We started throwing our weight around in a way that pissed off our friends and allies. We expended all the capital of goodwill outpouring to us over 9/11 by being heavy handed and arrogant. Time for him to go.....

People.. normal America - if you know what normal America is thinking you need to join one of the parties, because you can be a great assett to them. Factually Bush still has a near 50% approval rating - even after all the problems.

I would argue that normal America (the America I see as normal) new going in that Iraq would have some cost, likely high cost, and accepted it. I would also argue that we should be defending our own interests. I would also argue (though no longer presuming to speak for "normal" America) that we should tell the UN goodbye and tend to our own interest. The last debacle in Iraq, where we beleived there was a threat to us, was handled miserably by the UN, as was the decade that led up to it. Were we right, maybe not, but had the UN handled it like they should have a long time ago...

Anyways, I guess what I am saying, is normal America does not suppor the liberal side, nor do tehy support the conservative side. There is no normal America, doubtless my normal America is very different from others normal America

[Zygote]

Hey guess what? All those so called "Allies" you so desparately seem to care about were the SAME ones selling ILLEGAL ARMS TO IRAQ!

And the US was second behind only Germany in the dollar amount of arms sold to Iraq, including biological and chemical weapons. It's too late to take the high road there.