Try this in my yard and get shot!!!!!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by shartley
I agree with a good many things Bush does, but NOT his stance on Immigration. The “American Dream” should be for AMERICANS! If you want it, become an American, legally. What gets my goat is that the “American Dream” is more easily acquired by those who were not BORN here, or are here illegally.

AMEN!! Do it right or be gone!!!!

And when you come to America, learn the damn language and USE it. As someone else pointed out, the US used to be a melting pot, but it has now become a place where you didn’t have to BECOME an American, you can stay whatever you came as but LIVE in America. And America will make accommodations FOR you. I find it disgraceful that our country bends over backward to allow people to NOT learn and make English their language, to include having whole communities where the signs and other things are in languages OTHER than English.

Learn it or leave! You can only bend over backwards so far for someone before you are laying on your back and they are walking all over you.

It is one thing keeping in touch with your heritage and culture… but it is another to forget that by becoming an American you are now a part of ANOTHER. And that was YOUR choice. Immigrants used to be proud of this and their new identity.

Preach on!! Again I say amen!

The funny thing is that I just had this same conversation with my father-in-law a couple days ago, as well as other topics discussed here on AO, such as Gay marriage and more (wonders how long mentioning “gay marriage” will take before the thread gets hijacked in that direction ).

NO HIJACKING ALLOWED!!!!

[joez]

What really gets me is in this area they are taking over. Up in Marengo (mchenry county) the schools all teach the white kids spanish, but dont teach the mexicans english. They are causing accidents, killing people, and nothing happens to them. They have no insurance, cant read road signs, and are usually drunk. WTF is going on here in this county? Everyone wants everything for nothing. I cant wait until i graduate college, i am either going to become a border patrol or...something else. I have a friend who was nearly hijacked in texas, by mexicans. They will set up a roadblock, like an old couch, and when you get out to move it, they jump and kill you, stealing everything you have and using their car to get somewhere they can get a job. They can live off of credit cards until the card company finds out, and get anywhere in the country. Do we hear about it on the news? No. We hear about the "poor mexicans", and the "poor" every other minority. Back to my story, he got out of his truck to move the couch, when he stopped to think about what he was doing. He reached back in the truck and grabbed his shotgun hanging on the back window rack. Fired one warning shot into the air, and as he did about 5 mexicans stood up from their hiding places. He pointed at the couch, and got back in the truck. They moved the couch and let him pass.

[TeamNausea]

He's a very lucky person!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by joez
. I have a friend who was nearly hijacked in texas, by mexicans. They will set up a roadblock, like an old couch, and when you get out to move it, they jump and kill you, stealing everything you have and using their car to get somewhere they can get a job. They can live off of credit cards until the card company finds out, and get anywhere in the country. Do we hear about it on the news? No. We hear about the "poor mexicans", and the "poor" every other minority. Back to my story, he got out of his truck to move the couch, when he stopped to think about what he was doing. He reached back in the truck and grabbed his shotgun hanging on the back window rack. Fired one warning shot into the air, and as he did about 5 mexicans stood up from their hiding places. He pointed at the couch, and got back in the truck. They moved the couch and let him pass.

The only thing I would have done differently was shot the bastards dead after they moved the couch to protect the next poor American driving down that road!

[TeamNausea]

True dat!

[PyRo]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


The only thing I would have done differently was shot the bastards dead after they moved the couch to protect the next poor American driving down that road!

I wouldn't have done that, its illigle. I would have "accidently" run off the road into the bush they were hiding as a result of the couch being there
Also reminds me of a time when a bunch of spanish guys started threatening me and a few friends, we just got in the car and tried to leave. A few of them stood infront of the exit though while the others jumped on the car tried to get in, threw bottles and such I just said **** it and headed for the exit at like 40 and played chicken. I won, the guy jumped out of the way at the last secont.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by PyRo


I wouldn't have done that, its illigle. I would have "accidently" run off the road into the bush they were hiding as a result of the couch being there

It's only illegal if you get caught or they survive to testify. Shoot them, pick up the shell casings and leave them in the desert, how they gonna catch you? Better yet, who is going to care?

Or shoot them all and claim self defense. 5 on 1 is pretty easy to prove self defense on!

Better yet, shoot and kill them, then drag them behind the bushes for the scavengers to eat. No bodies, no crime!

[PyRo]

Yeah but they would still get you on having the loaded gun in the cab.

[personman]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


It's only illegal if you get caught or they survive to testify. Shoot them, pick up the shell casings and leave them in the desert, how they gonna catch you? Better yet, who is going to care?

Or shoot them all and claim self defense. 5 on 1 is pretty easy to prove self defense on!

Better yet, shoot and kill them, then drag them behind the bushes for the scavengers to eat. No bodies, no crime!

I love your mind.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by PyRo
Yeah but they would still get you on having the loaded gun in the cab.

Not in Texas!

Isn't it illegal to drive down there without a loaded firearm in your vehicle?

[ShortStrokeTX]

During the summer I always have a pistol in the console and when I'm at school there's a knife well hidden. Can't have a gun on school grounds even if it is hidden I don't feel right, so I just keep a knife... somewhere

[TigerMan]

May I remind you all that there's NO OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF THE U.S.A! If these people want to come here to do the jobs no American is willing to do, let them for all I care. These Mexican immigrants are building your restaurants, malls, and supermarkets, and most are unfairly taken advantage of by their employers. I'm by no means saying them coming here illegally is right, but they come here because they'd rather be here getting less than minimum wage than in Mexico where they're subject to crime and homelessness.

Much of what has been said in this post makes me realize still how real prejudice is out there today. I'm Mexican american myself, and what some of you have said is apalling. I'm born and raised in the USA, and so have my parents, and my grandparents and so on. I'm sure all your ancestors didn't arrive here off the boats speaking perfect enlish or knowing their place in society, but they came here to work much like many Mexicans. I'm by no means condoning them coming here illegally or much less the bill, which I think is wrong for the fact that so many others do it legally the right way. Yet these people come here to do much of the dirty work in this country, working long, hard hours for very little pay in hopes that their children may achieve citizenship and realize the "American dream."

And if you don't like the bill, well this coming election vote John Kerry. After all, Bush is the one who supports the bill, looking for votes from ethnic minorities out there.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by TigerMan
May I remind you all that there's NO OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF THE U.S.A! If these people want to come here to do the jobs no American is willing to do, let them for all I care. These Mexican immigrants are building your restaurants, malls, and supermarkets, and most are unfairly taken advantage of by their employers. I'm by no means saying them coming here illegally is right, but they come here because they'd rather be here getting less than minimum wage than in Mexico where they're subject to crime and homelessness.

Sounds like a problem Mexica and Vincente Fox should solve, eh? Instead of relying on us to solve it. They have NO RIGHT TO BE HERE!!! They are breaking the law!!!!!

Much of what has been said in this post makes me realize still how real prejudice is out there today. I'm Mexican american myself, and what some of you have said is apalling. I'm born and raised in the USA, and so have my parents, and my grandparents and so on. I'm sure all your ancestors didn't arrive here off the boats speaking perfect enlish or knowing their place in society, but they came here to work much like many Mexicans. I'm by no means condoning them coming here illegally or much less the bill, which I think is wrong for the fact that so many others do it legally the right way. Yet these people come here to do much of the dirty work in this country, working long, hard hours for very little pay in hopes that their children may achieve citizenship and realize the "American dream."

That's right, play the race card!

I have no problem with Mexican Americans. You are a citizen so that is fine and dandy. I have a problem with the Balkanization of our country. My great grandparents came over from Italy and couldn't speak a word of English. Did anyone bend over backwards to help them? No, they learned English and melted into America. If you want to just come here to make money, get out. If you want to become a citizen, then do it the right way!!!!!

I don't care about their dreams to be frank. If I had my druthers ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS, whether Mexican, Hatian, Cuban, Polish, Chinese, Italian or Martian would all be arrested. Then imprisoned and deported NEVER allowed to return to this country EVER!!!

"Give us you poor...." is fine, but let them come here legally like my ancestors did. Why should the law not apply to them? I submit that you are the racist as you feel that the law should not apply to them since they are mexicans and they have "Dreams"!

You don't understand the point of this thread! The law is the law! People should not be allowed to flout it at their will. These pieces of crap that tresspassed on private property should have been arrested and locked up. Illegal immigrants are just that: ILLEGAL!! I want all illegals out! Do not reward people for breaking the law and successfully escaping capture. THROW ALL OF THEM OUT!!!

And if you don't like the bill, well this coming election vote John Kerry. After all, Bush is the one who supports the bill, looking for votes from ethnic minorities out there.

No he doesn't. That is why the protestors were trying to intimidate Karl Rove. I disagree with Bush's attempt at temporary workers visa's, but Kerry terrifies me. I don't know if we will have any borders left if he gets in.

[TigerMan]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
I submit that you are the racist as you feel that the law should not apply to them since they are mexicans and they have "Dreams"!

I'm by no means saying what they're doing is right, I'm just saying these people aren't savages or animals like many in this thread would have you believe. They're human beings, just like you and me. I don't condone them coming here illegally, but they're already here and contributing to our society in ways others are not willingly doing. If they're willing to do the work others will not, I say let them in this country. They are working for amounts many would not consider, and they work hard and are not lazy from what I've seen. Their children get educated because of US standards for all children (forget what it is called), but basically all of them do not get to go to college due to them having to pay out of state tuition for wherever it may be. And it does take time for their enlgish to develop. I will admit, I don't like the whole Spanish speaking thing myself. But it isn't going to change overnight, so I try and be tolerable of it.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by TigerMan


I'm by no means saying what they're doing is right, I'm just saying these people aren't savages or animals like many in this thread would have you believe. They're human beings, just like you and me.

So are the Chinese and Haitian illegals. Should they be allowed to stay?

I don't condone them coming here illegally, but they're already here and contributing to our society in ways others are not willingly doing. If they're willing to do the work others will not, I say let them in this country.
You don't condone it, but you just did!

They are working for amounts many would not consider, and they work hard and are not lazy from what I've seen. Their children get educated because of US standards for all children (forget what it is called), but basically all of them do not get to go to college due to them having to pay out of state tuition for wherever it may be.

So they don't pay taxes and take advantage of our education system. Guess what I don't pay tons of money in property taxes for my school system to spend my money on people who are drains on our society!

My parents paid for my college degree, not the government. Why should I pay for some illegal to get a degree!

You are missing the point. These people are here illegally. They have no right to be in the USA. They are leeching off of our society. Every illegal in school is that much money not spent on a citizen or that much more in taxes that need to be raised to educate them. We spend over $8k per kid in our district. I'll be damned if a penny of it goes to an illegal.

Tell me why they are entitled to stay here. Tell me why they deserve to take from our society without paying into it. Tell me why they should be allowed to stay and other illegals booted out.

And it does take time for their enlgish to develop. I will admit, I don't like the whole Spanish speaking thing myself. But it isn't going to change overnight, so I try and be tolerable of it.

Tough! It is called immersion.Why should they bother to learn English if everyone has to let them do everything in Spanish. I have an Uncle who is 1st gen off the boat from Italy. He spoke no English until he came here. He still speaks with a heavy accent, but he speaks English.

Again, you can only bend over backwards to help someone so far before you are lying on your back and they are walking all over you! Time to draw that line and build that fence!