Teacher getting fired for Nick Berg Video

[SlartyBartFast]

he wasn't showing the movie to CHILDREN, he was showing it to TEENAGERS, i believe that us teenagers should have a choice in what is going to make us gag or not

Like it or not, teenagers ARE children. Your actions and your protection are still the responsibility of your parents.

[SlartyBartFast]

You also bring up the innocent Iraqi civilians killed as collateral damage during a military action.. I.E. WAR, but want to compare that to TARGETED innocent civilians killed in a blatant act of TERRORISM. This is just WRONG.

Which might have made SOME sence if you want to believe Iraq was any way connected to 9/11. Which it wasn't.

But does anyone honestly think that regardless of the motivation/reason behind the 'collateral damage' that the families and relatives of those 10,000 civilians go to bed at night thinking: Gee, even though my family member is dead and I have no running water or electricity, I love Americans.

[Lohman446]

I need to go back to the point.. that the kids seeing it bother me but hey, if kids want to do something they generally will find a way.

The adult accomadating it and condoning it would have an issue. Luckily its not me sitting up with my children because they are having nightmares.. traumatize my child like that when you are an adult in a position of authority and THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES... thats life and I will accept the consequences of my actions in bringing those consequences.

[1stdeadeye]

Like it or not, teenagers ARE children. Your actions and your protection are still the responsibility of your parents.

Exactamundo!!!!

[cphilip]

Ah Mini sowta! Then carry on! Its all good....

Well seems an outflux if it then.

But I caution you and everyone else here not to lecture others including parents on what you think are the horrors of war and what YOU think your the only ones that have ever thought of.

We have given them all many more years of thought than you could have. we also have seen the horrors of NOT taking action. Some of the most horrific things have occured while the world stood by and did nothing. We know thats got to be balanced.

We also are further burdened with raising health kids who will make the right choices if faced with that delema. Its heavy burden that you have no reference point of. We want to do it right. And if people interfer with that we get angry. We want to be certain. And in this case someone deliberately kept us of the loop. And had no right to do so. Its not his right to make that decission for us.

[shartley]

Which might have made SOME sence if you want to believe Iraq was any way connected to 9/11. Which it wasn't.

But does anyone honestly think that regardless of the motivation/reason behind the 'collateral damage' that the families and relatives of those 10,000 civilians go to bed at night thinking: Gee, even though my family member is dead and I have no running water or electricity, I love Americans.

[pputkowski]

I'm sorry Sam, but if a kid wants to see or do something, they will.

If you tell your child they are NOT supposed to see or do something, they will wonder why and become even more curious as to what it actually is. Especially if it's on the internet. I'm not saying if you tell a child not to play with guns or fire or not to smoke or drink that they will, I'm just saying kids will do what they want and if it is wrong, they will learn soon enough from their or someone else's mistakes. Kids are not dumb, everyone knows smoking is bad for you and you shouldn't play with guns...but as far as a movie on the internet, if a kid wants to see it, they will.

[cphilip]

Well I will say it. I blame them. I blame them for harboring the metality of ruthless rule. I blame them for encoraging the anti american hate. I blame them for financialy supporting terrorist acts against Americans. I blame them for genocide. blame them for attacking thier neigbors. I blame them for subjugating thier people into classes and forbiding them the rights to dignity and freedom. I blame them as much as I blame any other country that propogates hate and killing of a particular nationality or religion just because they are what they are. They are as much to blame as anyone else for that. Dam right I blame Saddam and his henchmen. And I blame them as much as anyone for taking a noble peacefull religion and using it for his own means and profit. I blame all muslim extreemists for that. And so do the Muslims!


Ask yourself this.. how many have we saved? How many? Thats uncountable. How many African Americans were saved by the Civil War? How many Jews were spared by WWII? How many died when we DID NOT go in and save them in countless genocides since then. How many WOULD have died? How many DID die from inaction? What would the difference HAVE BEEN had we done so?

Complex problems have no simple answers and often take sacrifice.

[cphilip]

If I tell my kid not to watch it and he does then thats between me and him. And its not for someone else to get in between.

However I would not tell him not to watch it. But I would control some of the circumstances and after math. Whereas this teacher did not consider that. He overstepped his "place".

[shartley]

I'm sorry Sam, but if a kid wants to see or do something, they will.

If you tell your child they are NOT supposed to see or do something, they will wonder why and become even more curious as to what it actually is. Especially if it's on the internet. I'm not saying if you tell a child not to play with guns or fire or not to smoke or drink that they will, I'm just saying kids will do what they want and if it is wrong, they will learn soon enough from their or someone else's mistakes. Kids are not dumb, everyone knows smoking is bad for you and you shouldn't play with guns...but as far as a movie on the internet, if a kid wants to see it, they will.

If I tell my kid not to watch it and he does then thats between me and him. And its not for someone else to get in between.

However I would not tell him not to watch it. But I would control some of the circumstances and after math. Whereas this teacher did not consider that. He overstepped his "place".

BINGO!

And with that, I am through with this.... and this time I mean it.

[logamus]

Well at this point I would be consulting a lawyer and suing him and the administration from this crap if there had not been permission slips for both of those movies - I have not checked but if I recall they were rated R. This was a pattern of action, if he did that without permission he should have been fired then. As for him "offering" to allow children to see it... that is the same as offering to let them see porn. Could they do it on their own, sure but that is not with an adult accomadating it.

this is a huge problem in our country. everyone wants to sue. why not i suppose, if you can get millions for spilling coffee on yourself, why not sue a school for showing a movie too. after reading some of your other posts, you really need to consider decaf. i agree that this teacher went over the line, but does the punishment fit the crime in this case, i suggest not, espically your punishment lohman.


no, my son is not in high school, wont be for some time. yes, i would be upset if his teacher showed him something like this video or saving private ryan, or band of brothers, or any 'R' rated movie without asking for premission first. however, that does not mean i would demand his head on a platter and a couple mil from the school board to ease my pain and suffering. there are ways to punish, what seems to be a very good and dedicated teacher, that do not include termination. a letter of repremand issued to the teacher, a letter of apology written to the parents of the school, publicly apologizing to the classes at the school, dock some of his pay, etc.

good, hard working, dedicated teachers are hard to find these days. i dont think anyone is helped by firing this one.

[cphilip]

this is a huge problem in our country. everyone wants to sue. why not i suppose, if you can get millions for spilling coffee on yourself, why not sue a school for showing a movie too. after reading some of your other posts, you really need to consider decaf. i agree that this teacher went over the line, but does the punishment fit the crime in this case, i suggest not, espically your punishment lohman.


no, my son is not in high school, wont be for some time. yes, i would be upset if his teacher showed him something like this video or saving private ryan, or band of brothers, or any 'R' rated movie without asking for premission first. however, that does not mean i would demand his head on a platter and a couple mil from the school board to ease my pain and suffering. there are ways to punish, what seems to be a very good and dedicated teacher, that do not include termination. a letter of repremand issued to the teacher, a letter of apology written to the parents of the school, publicly apologizing to the classes at the school, dock some of his pay, etc.

good, hard working, dedicated teachers are hard to find these days. i dont think anyone is helped by firing this one.

I agree with that course of action. I would not call of his firing.

[CaptaiN_JacK]

yes, he should have got permission. but getting fired for showing this is way too extreme. this isnt some burger flipping job---this is the guys life. hes worked at the school since i can remember, and he loves his job. not only that, but with this on his record, it would be hard for him to find another teaching job. this DIDNT hurt anybody. yes, he should have got parental permission. losing a job uouve held for years just for showing a couple of kids a 20 second video clip is too much.

[Lohman446]

this is a huge problem in our country. everyone wants to sue. why not i suppose, if you can get millions for spilling coffee on yourself, why not sue a school for showing a movie too. after reading some of your other posts, you really need to consider decaf. i agree that this teacher went over the line, but does the punishment fit the crime in this case, i suggest not, espically your punishment lohman.


no, my son is not in high school, wont be for some time. yes, i would be upset if his teacher showed him something like this video or saving private ryan, or band of brothers, or any 'R' rated movie without asking for premission first. however, that does not mean i would demand his head on a platter and a couple mil from the school board to ease my pain and suffering. there are ways to punish, what seems to be a very good and dedicated teacher, that do not include termination. a letter of repremand issued to the teacher, a letter of apology written to the parents of the school, publicly apologizing to the classes at the school, dock some of his pay, etc.

good, hard working, dedicated teachers are hard to find these days. i dont think anyone is helped by firing this one.

Sometimes you don't sue people to get their money... its to get there attention. And you are right on one thing.. lawsuits in America are out of hand, most of the time I would agree with you on that one, and actually due, even if it is hypocritcal. I said if permission slips were not sought (it appears they were) it would be appropriate. Let me go down that hypothetical road though. If they had not been sought this would have been irresponsible on both the sides of the administration and teacher. I would have sued for dismissal, settled out of court of the most senior person who had known of this action, and the teacher being dismissed. These are our kids after all, our most precious resource. And I don't drink caffeine, I only drink water . Isn't that scary. So I overreact when kids are involved.. its like there my kids.. hard to explain, Im normally a calm person But I do hold teachers in MI to a higher standard than others, they are paid better than most other teachers. With that comes higher expectations.

[1stdeadeye]

yes, he should have got permission. but getting fired for showing this is way too extreme. this isnt some burger flipping job---this is the guys life. hes worked at the school since i can remember, and he loves his job. not only that, but with this on his record, it would be hard for him to find another teaching job. this DIDNT hurt anybody. yes, he should have got parental permission. losing a job uouve held for years just for showing a couple of kids a 20 second video clip is too much.

Firing him may be a bit too severe, however he must be punished. An unpaid suspension and forfiture of his annual raise would be more appropriate ala the teacher in Gallaway, NJ that gave a cry baby award to one of his players.

The punishment is not for th 20 seconds of video, but for the lack of good judgement in showing it at all!