Michael Moore Wins in Cannes

[taylor492]

Mr Shartley Sir, i pointed clearly to taylor as he tried the pointless "jab at a mis-spell" line, not me sorry.

For the record I am not Anti-America, I just think your government feed you a load of bull poo. I didn't mention the people. I find you the most polite and ambitious of people. And of course your drive in Paintball phenomenal!!

I am pulling out of this thread because I am being cornered and people are starting to have little digs at me personally and not the topic in hand. I think aaron_mag has more of an idea of what I think about this.

Look, I cant help it if you don't know how to use the quote button.

I would like to discuss the issue at hand but you just wanna skirt the issue.
I cant get an answer about the "denial" issue

I promise to play nice if you come back
cross my heart, hope to die, stick a needle in my eye.

[aaron_mag]

Totally agree with you there. It is in the health and best interest of a democracy to question their government...

[Toranaga]

Just curious, but can you not consider the US at least partially, if not fuly, and Imperialistic Country in te 19th (mayeb into the beggining of 20th) century. What about the annexation (Sp?) of Hawai and our control of the Philippines?

[FactsOfLife]

Two tremendous things came out of using nuclear weapons on Japan.

1. It ended the war.

2. It showed he world the absolute horror of nuclear weapons.


having said that, Nuke France.

[shartley]

Just curious, but can you not consider the US at least partially, if not fuly, and Imperialistic Country in te 19th (mayeb into the beggining of 20th) century. What about the annexation (Sp?) of Hawai and our control of the Philippines?

[FactsOfLife]

The arms race would have happened regardless. And horrible things happen in war. That is how you get to the end of the war. No one likes to admit defeat. Sometimes it has to be brought home that it is time for them to 'endure the unendurable'.

And look at their country now...

The real issue is we have thrown out our deterrent strength for a preemptive doctrine. Can you imagine if the US had put all of its resources in Afghanistan? We'd have 150,000 troops there instead of the pitiful force we have now. Osama Bin Laden would probably be captured. And we'd be well on the way to rebuilding Afghanistan properly.

Instead we went off on a tangent against a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 for supposed 'weapons of mass destruction'.

What a load of crock. We really screwed this one up....

Yeah and we'll never get Saddam either...

[aaron_mag]

I think history shows quite clearly that we went through an imperialistic phase. Was it a mistake? Was it evil? Was it wrong?

Maybe.

But our imperialistic designs did not last long. And is Hawaii better off or worse off? Would they have been better off if another country had annexed them?

It is not bad to look at our history with open eyes. We haven't been a saint in our history. But I'd submit that we haven't been a devil either. I'd say that overall we've done more good than harm.

I don't understand our paranoia about admitting that our country has faults. We are not perfect (and neither is any other country out there). But we react to any criticism with vehement denial and aggression. To the point of self delusion.

Why? What are we afraid of? Can't we grow from our own history? We're a great country, but can't we still become better? Open self examination is the best policy.

I have an idea. Why don't we buy some self help books for our nation and sit around discussing our newfound spirituality (just had to add a little humor)

[FactsOfLife]

Just curious, but can you not consider the US at least partially, if not fuly, and Imperialistic Country in te 19th (mayeb into the beggining of 20th) century. What about the annexation (Sp?) of Hawai and our control of the Philippines?

Then we'd outright OWN most of Europe right about now.

It never fails to amaze me that there are people who think this country is imperialistic.

We have never asked for more land than was necessary to bury our fallen in.

And ya know something? I'd like to see how well the world would get along without US intervention.

[aaron_mag]

Yeah and we'll never get Saddam either...

Saddam was a more important target than Osama? A guy who got his butt beat in the Gulf War. A guy who broke down crying when he saw his army get destroyed on the 'Road of Death'? A guy who couldn't stop us from enforcing no fly zones in his own country?

We choose to HIM as a priority over the mastermind behind 9/11?

I said all this before the Iraq invasion, but so many of you were focused on WMD and the 'link between Saddam and Osama'. Nevermind the fact that the 'link between Saddam and Osama' is that Osama Bin Laden wanted to fight against Saddam when he invaded Kuwait and threatened Saudi Arabia...

But nevermind all that....

[taylor492]

I wouldnt say Saddam is a priority, i would say he was easier to catch.

And where does it say Bin Laden wanted to fight Saddam?
Because he invaded Saudi Arabia? The country that exiled him.

[FactsOfLife]

Saddam was a more important target than Osama? A guy who got his butt beat in the Gulf War. A guy who broke down crying when he saw his army get destroyed on the 'Road of Death'? A guy who couldn't stop us from enforcing no fly zones in his own country?

We choose to HIM as a priority over the mastermind behind 9/11?

I said all this before the Iraq invasion, but so many of you were focused on WMD and the 'link between Saddam and Osama'. Nevermind the fact that the 'link between Saddam and Osama' is that Osama Bin Laden wanted to fight against Saddam when he invaded Kuwait and threatened Saudi Arabia...

But nevermind all that....

Who said anything about more important?

I'm saying, there were a LOT of people running their fool mouths about not catching either Saddam OR Bin Laden.

So far we have one of them DESPITE what all the naysayers were yammering about.

It's only a matter of time before we catch or kill OBL.

As far as your theory regarding Iraq and terrorists/wmd's...

We've found concrete evidence of BOTH, and still you won't believe it.

[Toranaga]

Then we'd outright OWN most of Europe right about now.

It never fails to amaze me that there are people who think this country is imperialistic.

We have never asked for more land than was necessary to bury our fallen in.

And ya know something? I'd like to see how well the world would get along without US intervention.

How would we OWN Europe? In the time period I gave (1800-beginning of 1900(very beginning if at all)), we were not the super power. Great Britain, France, and Germany were all stronger then us for most of if not all of that time period, leading into the First World War.

Also, the reason why the US ntervenes in other countries afairs may be noble and right, but it seems we never have a clear plan to rebuild the country afterwords.

Sorry for any grammer/spelling mistakes,
Andrew

[CaptaiN_JacK]

i love moore. hes a liar. he miguides people to think the way he wants them too. and the best part is, its going to help put bush out of office! now dont you just LOVE the guy!

and on a side note, check this site out. its great. www.moveon.net

im sure a bunch of you conservatives will dismiss it as crap before you even watch the ads, but thats because youre scared of the truth. and for the bush administration, the truth does hurt.

[taylor492]

Also, the reason why the US ntervenes in other countries afairs may be noble and right, but it seems we never have a clear plan to rebuild the country afterwords.

We have a very clear plan. Its just that they're are bad people in Iraq that have a plan too, which involves oppresion, not freedom. And those guys dont like our plan.

Correct me if im wrong but the US was in Germany for a while after WW II.
That turned out pretty good.

[shartley]

Also, the reason why the US ntervenes in other countries afairs may be noble and right, but it seems we never have a clear plan to rebuild the country afterwords.