Those sons 'a' B***hes decapitated the guy....

[logamus]

;-) if there's one thing I'm good for, it's useless information.

The Trinity Site, where the first nuclear test took place (Oppenheimer had a fetish for combining religeon and the bomb it seems) is open to the public two days out of the year (although I forget what they are)

One of the exibits there is a piece of Trinitite, along with an obilisk marking the spot where the tower that held the bomb stood.

I've never been, but reportedly those who have brought Geiger counters with them say the radiation is no stronger there then anywhere else.

the first saturday in april and october. im pretty sure its free too.

[PyRo]

Im starting to think the same Hasty. However, tactics like this are not some new phenomenom. Long ago in days long past etc. things like this worked. The enemy would take a hostage and threaten his life in exchange for captured prisoners on the other side or other variou demans. And back then it would work.

Yes, during wartime i'm sure its not unheard of for us to trade enemy captured for our own, or there spy for one of theres (actually I think we did that during the cold war, Russia's spy for ours). But this is a group of people who think that by making everyones lives worse people will take there side.
I mean they cannot be smart how did they think they we were going to react to all this stuff they're pulling, leave the middle east and stop supporting Isreal? No, we are going to come after them and if that means leveling half the middle east so be it. These people need to learn to think.

[oldsoldier]

Well, this is just plain old BS. They had every intention of killing this guy from the getgo. How many American prisoners have been released by Al-Queda? By my count...none. They are driven by hatred for westerners...I am EXTREMELY biased about this subject, but, sorry, Islam has yet to prove to me its a "peaceful" religion. We need to start executing detainees here.

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

My heartfelt condolences go out to the family.

But to the people who speak of blowing up the middle east. The millions of innocent civilions that would be killed is even worse than what terrorists have done to us. And the opposition to the US would increase ever so greatly if we used such un-humanitarian tactics.

The only way to win this war against the terrorists is too establish a democracy inside of Iraq, and make Iraq a modern West Berlin. Given this is easier said then done, but it is a better solution then mass genocide.

[aaron_mag]

Well, this is just plain old BS. They had every intention of killing this guy from the getgo. How many American prisoners have been released by Al-Queda? By my count...none. They are driven by hatred for westerners...I am EXTREMELY biased about this subject, but, sorry, Islam has yet to prove to me its a "peaceful" religion. We need to start executing detainees here.

It really is a tough call...isn't it? You hate to resort to 'torture' tactics but how else can you get information out of Al Queda operatives. They are a dispersed network (a model that has been followed in the past as well). Results call for drastic measures sometimes...

I'm not stupid enough to say it would be 'unneeded' or 'unfair'...

[Hasty8]

Well, this is just plain old BS. They had every intention of killing this guy from the getgo. How many American prisoners have been released by Al-Queda? By my count...none. They are driven by hatred for westerners...I am EXTREMELY biased about this subject, but, sorry, Islam has yet to prove to me its a "peaceful" religion. We need to start executing detainees here.

Gotta disagree with you here. I know plenty of Mulims and it is indeed a religion that espouses peace. Judaism and Christianity are down right violent when compared. You are letting yourself decide based on the example of an extremely small number.

I think it was the interm president of Iraq who said:
"To say that the actions of the terrorists is indicative of all Iraqis is like saying that action of the guards at Abu Gharib are indicative of all Americans"

or something to that effect.

But to be honest, I agree with you when you say that they had every intention of killing him. The demand for the rlease was probably a way to justify their actions in their eyes.

A bunch of goddamn cowards is what they are.

The problem is that, like Vietnam, we are fighting an idea and those prove very hard to kill. Ask Britain. They could not defeat our desire of freedom. It was an idea.

[Steelrat]

Gotta disagree with you here. I know plenty of Mulims and it is indeed a religion that espouses peace. Judaism and Christianity are down right violent when compared. You are letting yourself decide based on the example of an extremely small number.

I think it was the interm president of Iraq who said:
"To say that the actions of the terrorists is indicative of all Iraqis is like saying that action of the guards at Abu Gharib are indicative of all Americans"

or something to that effect.

But to be honest, I agree with you when you say that they had every intention of killing him. The demand for the rlease was probably a way to justify their actions in their eyes.

A bunch of goddamn cowards is what they are.

The problem is that, like Vietnam, we are fighting an idea and those prove very hard to kill. Ask Britain. They could not defeat our desire of freedom. It was an idea.

The idea is that they are dirt poor and they resent our wealth. If they had a good job and a comfortable living, they wouldnt even think about taking shots at our troops, especially since they always come off on the losing end. Too bad the knuckleheads over there cant figure out that if they didnt touch our troops, all the money going into the fighting would instead be going to them.

A couple of interesting observations. I notice the number of attacks against the troops has decreased, as the insurgents seemed to have realized that they were repeatedly getting their butts handed to them, and no matter what they did the US wasnt going to leave. Now they seem to be focusing on foreign civilian contractors who work on the infrastructure projects, and other Iraqis, in an attempt to destabilize the country even further.

The other observations has to do with the reaction of the markets to the excecution. Volume dropped a bit, but the market didn't sink at all. Could it be that we are beginning to reach the point where, instead of weakening, the public's resolve starts hardening? The Japanese underestimated the resolve of the US public during WW2, thinking that by kicking our butts at Pearl Harbor, we'd let Japan do as they pleased in Asia. I think the terrorists are making the same mistake.

[1stdeadeye]

This sickened me, but at least the Saudi's killed the bastages responsible. They got the leader of Al Queda in Saudi Arabia as he was dumping the body.
Story here!

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

I think it was the interm president of Iraq who said:
"To say that the actions of the terrorists is indicative of all Iraqis is like saying that action of the guards at Abu Gharib are indicative of all Americans"


a comedian on howard stern today observed that some people pay in excess of 100$ to have women put panties on their head and step on them. i see no validity to that statement. no prisoners under u.s. care at that prison were decapitated to my knowledge.

Its showing how the majority do not support the action of the Saudi terrorists, just how the majority of the US population does not support the actions of the soldiers at Abu Gharib.

and what the heck does howard stern have to do with anything.

[devildog]

Well, this is just plain old BS. They had every intention of killing this guy from the getgo. How many American prisoners have been released by Al-Queda? By my count...none. They are driven by hatred for westerners...I am EXTREMELY biased about this subject, but, sorry, Islam has yet to prove to me its a "peaceful" religion. We need to start executing detainees here.

i agree 100%

[shartley]

[1stdeadeye]

It really is a tough call...isn't it? You hate to resort to 'torture' tactics but how else can you get information out of Al Queda operatives. They are a dispersed network (a model that has been followed in the past as well). Results call for drastic measures sometimes...

I'm not stupid enough to say it would be 'unneeded' or 'unfair'...

We are going to make a conservative out of you yet!

I will say this all insurgents picked up should be summarily executed. They have no protecxtion under the Geneva convention as they are irregulars. Kill enough of them and the violence will subside. Kill them all and there will be no one left to hate us!

[MarkM]

The problem is that, like Vietnam, we are fighting an idea and those prove very hard to kill. Ask Britain. They could not defeat our desire of freedom. It was an idea.

Not to to start an off topic threadjack but that statement about Britain is wrong pure and simple.....taxation levels was the "idea" not any other ideal. Concessions were made and certain taxes removed but by that time civil unrest had escalated..the results of which you are aware but please don't try and draw any parallels to what is happening now to the past unless you are accurate. If you dissagree and I'm pretty sure you will, take it to PM's as this has no part in this thread. I only posted as perpetuation of myths can be more destructive than the truth.

Re Thread topic RIP

[MaChu]

Damn those Arabs to hell whoever had a part in that, I don't care what the mods say, Im pissed. Its a blind injustice just to kill people due to their nationality. Its like they are provoking us to go into Saudi Arabia so they can declare another holy war to all the terrorist groups and have another 9/11. And what can we do? Nothing, its out of our jurisdiction because its not our country, politics with oil won't do one thing against Saudi Arabia, and all the hoopla over our actions in Iraq will just make it that much harder to find a justification on taking actions against these types of incidents to the lefty American people like senator Ted Kennedy and the world which pisses me off some more. I say someone plants a bomb in Mecca and destroying one of the most holiest of sites to the Muslim world? Sounds cold doesn't it? Well how bout the beheading of innocent people? How cold is that? I think its colder than a Siberian winter.

"Revenge is a dish best served cold"

[-Carnifex-]

Not to to start an off topic threadjack but that statement about Britain is wrong pure and simple.....taxation levels was the "idea" not any other ideal. Concessions were made and certain taxes removed but by that time civil unrest had escalated..the results of which you are aware but please don't try and draw any parallels to what is happening now to the past unless you are accurate. If you dissagree and I'm pretty sure you will, take it to PM's as this has no part in this thread. I only posted as perpetuation of myths can be more destructive than the truth.

Re Thread topic RIP

I think he means the actual revolution. Sure, before the war began the colonists were, for the most part, still loyal, but after the Intolerable Acts the mindset swayed to rebellion. So yes, you are correct, before the war it wasn't just the mindset of attaining freedom, but during the revolution it was, which is what I think he was talking about.