Portugal loses the Euro Cup

[Rooster]

Females make up 51% of the population of the United States. I'll go far lower in my requirements. A team made up of a majority of women. Name away.

A dispropotionate amout of black men play professional sports, why not a dispoportionate amount of female players?

Never did I say all female paintball players suck. However the average male will always outpreform the average female in any phyisical challenge. Thats simple biology. However paintball is a largely non-physical game. It is far more mental than physical. So this brings up another interesting question, is the average male more adept at formulating strategies than the average female. Again I say that if the average female were more adept, teams couldn't snap them up fast enough. As a paid player females are used for only one reason, and its not for physical strength or mental prowess, but as a token player.

As I said, feel free to disprove me. Obviously people will play whatever they like and if they enjoy being competive, they will play well. But we are talking about being a hired player expected to contribute to the victory of the team, or even the bottom line.

Of course this gets away from the whole point, which is that soccer is a girl's sport. (And don't get me started on Rugby, no one ever paid a woman to play rugby competitively, nor would even the sickest person want to see the outcome of such an occurance.)

[Gadget]

Females make up 51% of the population of the United States. I'll go far lower in my requirements. A team made up of a majority of women. Name away.

A dispropotionate amout of black men play professional sports, why not a dispoportionate amount of female players?

So by your own reasoning pro paintball should be dominated by teams with the majority of their roster being black men? Oh no, wait, that isn't the case is it?

In fact pro paintball is dominated by white, middle class men in their late teens-early 20s. Why? Because they're the group of people most likely to have been attracted to (and exposed to) the sport at an early age and the most likely to have been able to afford to play competetively. Race and gender are irrelevant when considered alongside socio-economic reasons why paintball is the way it is.

So this brings up another interesting question, is the average male more adept at formulating strategies than the average female.

Or the question that as women are known to be better at multitasking than men (who in turn are better able to focus all of their attention on a single task), shouldn't women have an advantage in many areas - such as posting on a player while simultaneously potting up?

Again I say that if the average female were more adept, teams couldn't snap them up fast enough. As a paid player females are used for only one reason, and its not for physical strength or mental prowess, but as a token player.

And again I say you're wrong. The number of women in the USA is irrelevant, all that is relevant is the pool of actual players which you can select a squad from. With paintball having been male dominated for so long (with opinions like yours I wonder why?), the number of female players is obviously far smaller. The larger the selection of players, the more likely you are to encounter people with talent.

It's exactly the same reason why a large nation like the USA is more successful at athletics than say.....Liechtenstein. You're far more likely to be able to source gifted atheletes when you've got 200 million people to choose from than you are when you only have 37,000 people to choose from.

I've yet to meet a single female player who is on a squad as a 'token player' - they're there because they're dedicated, skilled and eager - exactly the qualifications for any team player regardless of gender. I'd certainly rather have some of the women I've played against on my squad than the middle aged, overweight, unfit men that I've got (no offence guys)

Of course this gets away from the whole point, which is that soccer is a girl's sport.

I'm in no way a football fan myself, but lets face it, that comment is a pretty pitiful troll.

(And don't get me started on Rugby, no one ever paid a woman to play rugby competitively, nor would even the sickest person want to see the outcome of such an occurance.)

Really? Why not? If you're concerned about the poor delicate flowers getting injured, perhaps you would prefer them to be restricted to playing a sport where they get to wear more protection? Like say...American Football?

[MarkM]

Fat ladies Charms, Femme Fatales...and even AGD Pride...Clare was never a "token" player, The Family although now disbanded could support the arguement for "token" female players but not really the case as it was really a group of blood related people who shared the same interest...same as many teams are a group of friends who shared paintball as an interest and started a team. TAG even had a female supported team come 2nd or 3rd in a recent CFOA or was it MSSPA event (I do get confused with the letters of many tournament circuits )
The American football team do not play in underwear they play in the same clothes as the male players so where that comment came from earlier I have no clue
In the UK there was a team called the Predators who dominated the UK scene for many years...and had a female on the team...she wasn't there because she was female ...she was there because she could play and play well!
If ever there was an opinion that is holding back paintball then it is yours.
Paintball is one of the few sports or call it a game if you must, (though at what point does a game become a sport? Football is still a game whichever way you look at it...want to call Golf a sport?) that allows the females and males to compete without gender being an issue...unless of course you happen to be called Rooster.
Your comment about Rugby is flawed as there are paid women teams...admittedly they currently only play against other female teams but they are paid.
You are continuing the American sterotype of thinking about football as not a "man's" sport/game because you as a country play a bastardized version of Rugby, Aussie rules football is confusing enough but at least they don't wear pounds of protection.
Neadathal views like yours are why the TV will not pickup paintball in it's current form...in case you hadn't noticed you are the only person who holds this view of paintball...or maybe the only one who is posting as others don't wish their arcahic views to be known
You have commented on the propotion of skin coloured participents who play various events of whatever game...how many of your country do you want to annoy? The strengths genetically of a coloured person are well documented...for this reason (genetics) you don't see high class swimmers the muscle structure is not predisposed to swimming nor is the body mass much good for floatation. remove these people from sports/games and you would have what to watch on tv...like it or not we are a multi racial society we can't suddenly choose to object to some one because of their skin colour or sex...they either do the job well or not.
Paintball regardless of the demorgraphic of the country is a white sport due only to the target market and very often the costs involved, whilst there may be many people of a coloured background due to financial contraints they don't play paintball...some do but not that many social and economic and peer pressures mean that they look to other avenues in which to express themselves, if you were to remove all the members of the American olympic squad that failed to attain a racial purity then as a country you would win very little. You can't use the race or gender arguement to support your cause unless it cuts both ways..this is true regardless of the sport/game.

[Rooster]

"Paintball regardless of the demorgraphic of the country is a white sport due only to the target market and very often the costs involved, whilst there may be many people of a coloured background due to financial contraints they don't play paintball."

Now who is making generalizations based on race? So far, no one has managed to name a single professional paintball team that has a majority of female players and has won a major professional championship. While there is something to be said for "target auidenince" so called surburban white sports such as skateboarding and rollerblading have had no trouble finding female participants.

Of course we have strayed from the point again, which is that any sport that can be played competitively by a woman isn't worth watching. Soccer is deffinately one of those sports, as well as golf (who can watch that crap anyways), tennis, bowling, swimming, track and field, any sport on skis, gymnastics, and bike racing.

And as far as holding paintball back, I'm sorry to break your little heart, but it isn't going anywhere. Holding back something that isn't moving is not really that hard.

[MarkM]

"Paintball regardless of the demorgraphic of the country is a white sport due only to the target market and very often the costs involved, whilst there may be many people of a coloured background due to financial contraints they don't play paintball."

Now who is making generalizations based on race?

Not even close...the subject has been covered before here and elsewhere so don't try clutching at straws to deflect the subject matter from yourself and your bigotted views. I also continued to include peer pressure as well...shame you couldn't manage to quote that too but try and cherry pick the parts that "might" suit your views. You played the "race" card to help your arguements for the level of sports worth watching...and this is on a paintball forum..even though this is an off topic section it still appiles to being a paintball area

Do you see black models in gansta hotpants promoting paintball? Do you see black music beig used for Paintball promotion? (you might find a couple but that will be it) The target audience is the Skater type person. Plus of course the wannabe gansta rappers who call paintball markers Gats. The reason for using black players, of which I know there are many but nowhere near a large number, as an example for sports demographics in relation to paintball was to show your reasoning is wrong and to be fair I included both sides of the coin to explain why this is.

Skateboarding has groupies but not female participants, the same for Roller blading...both may be done recreactionally by females but how many particpents will you find in the magazines...nice try in attempting to turn yourself to liking females in a pastime...roller blading and skateboarding are never sports or games.

As for subject straying from the topic...the topic was the European Cup not females playing football...I included the comment about the dislike of football (or non interest in it ) due to the American team being the best in the world unfortunately for male americans it is the female team that is good not the male. this comment was meant in a light hearted way...as was taken by 1st Deadeye. You turned it another way entirely and have been back peddling ever since.

I dislike any sport women can play professionally.

the important word here in your own statement is

can

plus as pointed out to you by others, not just me, women can play paintball professionally. I even gave you the examples you asked for but then you have just chosen to ignore them.

[Rooster]

And as I said, prove that there is a woman playing that isn't a token. And you couldn't. My requirements were very low. One single female team that plays professionally that has won a single professional event. Then I lowered the requirements yet again and you still failed.

[land hurricane]

Skateboarding has groupies but not female participants, the same for Roller blading...both may be done recreactionally by females but how many particpents will you find in the magazines...nice try in attempting to turn yourself to liking females in a pastime...roller blading and skateboarding are never sports or games.

I agree that skateboarding and rollerblading are neither sports nor games. But, there are many professional female participants in both skateboarding and rollerblading. I'm too lazy to do a search to find their names, but if you watch competitions or even plat tony hawk pro skater you will see them.

[fcpchop]

wow this thread completly drifted off its topic, the sad story of portugal loosing what they deserved

at least FC Porto still holds the Euro club title ( is that what its called in english... i can only remember the name of the club title in spanish.)

actually its called the uefa champions league title, and they dam well deserve it.

[Gadget]

And as I said, prove that there is a woman playing that isn't a token. And you couldn't. My requirements were very low. One single female team that plays professionally that has won a single professional event. Then I lowered the requirements yet again and you still failed.

There have been multiple examples given of women playing paintball in a non-token capacity, which you appear to have chosen to ignore. It has also been explained to you that the fact that there aren't any 'all' or 'mainly' female pro teams has NOTHING to do with women being in any way inferior to men at paintball, but is due to the massive disparity in the number of men and women who play the sport. Sadly you don't appear to be able to grasp these concepts.

And as far as holding paintball back, I'm sorry to break your little heart, but it isn't going anywhere. Holding back something that isn't moving is not really that hard.

Really? Looks like it has come a LONG way to me - 12 years ago the major event of the year in the UK was held in a muddly forest and attracted about 20 ten man teams, with the only coverage being in the specialist press. The last Millenium Series Campaign Cup was held at the Crystal Palace stadium in the heart of London, with 170+ 7 man teams and TV coverage.

Of course we have strayed from the point again, which is that any sport that can be played competitively by a woman isn't worth watching. Soccer is deffinately one of those sports, as well as golf (who can watch that crap anyways), tennis, bowling, swimming, track and field, any sport on skis, gymnastics, and bike racing.

...and I'm sure all those sports are devastated at the loss of one misogynist from their viewing public.

[Rooster]

I'm sorry but your television coverage that you seem so proud of is merely the result of TV putting whatever crap they can find on the tube. Have you even watched TV as of late?

[MarkM]

I'm sorry but your television coverage that you seem so proud of is merely the result of TV putting whatever crap they can find on the tube. Have you even watched TV as of late?

What's this another attempt at diversion of subject matter, too much for you to ignore now...Gadget is in the UK same as myself so we don't watch the same TV as you do.

[SoccerPaintball3]

portugal

portugal definatly should have won, but thats soccer they came can always go either way, its all about who wants it more.