Context of "Homosexuality is an abomination"

[ScatterPlot]

Yeah, we're all sinners. "All have sinned and have fallen short of the Glory of God."
How is that a contradiction?

[spantol]

Yeah, we're all sinners. "All have sinned and have fallen short of the Glory of God."
How is that a contradiction?

It's not, just a throw-away Simpsons reference that seemed to fit.

Some quick Googling produces this list, though: A List of Biblical Contradictions

[ScatterPlot]

OIC. However, that list is of stuff that is taken out of context, misread, and mis presented.

[Kellen_p8nt]

Contradictions are usually misunderstandings. What contradictions are you talking about? And don't just say 'theres a ton of them, I cant think of any though'. That's what many would do, so gimme some hard evidence.

ok ill give you a few. Pardon them being copy pasted cus i just dont feel typing.

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God be seen?
Exod. 24:9,10; Amos 9:1; Gen. 26:2; and John 14:9
God CAN be seen:
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (Ex. 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (Ex. 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Gen. 32:30)
God CANNOT be seen:
"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (Ex. 33:20)
"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1 Tim. 6:16)
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CRUEL, UNMERCIFUL, DESTRUCTIVE, and FEROCIOUS or KIND, MERCIFUL, and GOOD:
"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (Jer. 13:14) "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."
"The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy." (James 5:11)
"For his mercy endureth forever." (1 Chron. 16:34)
"The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works." (Ps. 145:9)
"God is love." (1 John 4:16)
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Should we own slaves?
Leviticus 25:45-46 "Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, . . . and they shall be your possession . . . they shall be your bondmen forever."
Genesis 9:25 "And he [Noah] said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren."
Exodus 21:2,7 "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. . . . And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the manservants do."
Joel 3:8 "And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the Lord hath spoken it."
Luke 12:47,48 [Jesus speaking] "And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes."
Colossians 3:22 "Servants, obey in all things your masters."
vs.


Isaiah 58:6 "Undo the heavy burdens . . . let the oppressed go free, . . . break every yoke."
Matthew 23:10 "Neither be ye called Masters: for one is your Master, even Christ."


as far as i hae heard jesus never condemns homosexuality. Of course we can say Godbreathed the bible, god=jesus, so the whole bible is his word. Well God breathed into someone who then coughed up the bible. Writing something through an arguably inferior being seems to be a mistake.

[Kellen_p8nt]

OIC. However, that list is of stuff that is taken out of context, misread, and mis presented.

why do you say that? Because it doesnt show your interpretation of things?

[-Carnifex-]

Judicial review makes it part of the common law. The Constitution itself can only be modified by amending it.

Even if that were accurate, though, that phrase doesn't turn up in the opinion.

Nope, but it sets president for religion being separated from the state. There's actually a better case but I'm not going to put in the effort to find it for Rooster.

[Lohman446]

You cannot accept Christ and be homosexual. You might claim to, but if you are gay then you truly have not accepted what Christ tought..

I don't know.

I mean, I ate shellfish tonight, in clear violation of the teachings of Leviticus, and I'm pretty sure the person at the table next to me would say that they have accepted Christ fully.

I ate pork for breakfast, and I could make the arguement, judging by the idea that Christ drove the demons into the pigs and cast them into the sea that should make them pretty forbidden.

The Evangalical bishop, who is openly homosexual - has he not accepted Christ fully.

Or is it, just that, this particular sin is SOO much worse in the eyes of god than all the others. I think for Christians to look at other sins and tell them how much of a sin one thing is, should look pretty closely at themselves. Christ may have stated, go out and sin no more. Note that was sin. He did not say - go out and don't be gay anymore.

Certain religious figures in the past made it very clear that any position other than missionary was a sin, even if it involved your wife. I beleive you will also find something forbidding the spilling of ones seed on the ground - so umm... well all sexual activity not involving a woman you are married to is wrong.

The point is, if we are going to discriminate against gays because of their lifestyles - well the Catholic church would argue that I should practice that same discimination against those that would use condoms.

The point though, is, in Christianity, there is no level of sin. This sin is no worse than that sin, they are all crimes against God. If you are going to quote me from the old testemant laws that you beleive support your position, be prepared for the rest of the laws in Leviticus. To quote this as your law.... and to see the other laws around it - makes Christianity look ridiculous. Did God just not mean those other ones? Are they open to interpertation?

[Rooster]

"Lemon v. Kurtzman"

So no one wants to claim the prize? Anyone care to point out in the constitution where it says anything about a seperation of church and state?

[Lohman446]

Ok, to give some background to this quote, I was arguing that marriage should be better defined, the obligations of each partner in that marriage for the sake of children. That marriage should be a step above something else, lets call it Civil Union - Civil Union being a contractually agreed upon set of rigths for each party, spelled out closely. I argued that civil union should be available to all couples, gay or straight, and that marriage should be left for the purpose of protecting children in a long term, reproductive (intentionally) relationship.

Okay, I think I get where you're coming from on this now. So you're suggesting something like civil unions for couples to get the reciprocal property rights and whatnot, and another step above that, affording even more privileges, for those that want to have kids? That's definitely an interesting idea; if those additional privileges would be extended to adoptive parents, I'd have a hard time arguing with it.

Now.. I sat down with this, and tried to come up with a good reason not to extend this to gay adoptive parents. I beleive that homosexuality may be wrong. I know that my early arguments do not show this, but hey, consenting adults I don't care what you do. For all I care, under consent, take a pair of pistols at ten paces. Not my problem and the government should not be involved. However, children should be protected from this.

However, to make that stance I have made the supposition that a gay relationship is inherently wrong. I am not going to give up on the idea that it may be... but I am also not out here preaching. I beleive not working out and teaching your children to exercise may be wrong... I have to acknowledge some of my views may be off.

I need to give up one of two views, I fully beleive that abortion accept in the case of medical necessity ONLY is wrong. This is not a maybe wrong, this is something I beleive is tantamount to killing. I beleive in todays society there are too many waiting to adopt to allow abortion. So... let me get into the position now that there is a child waiting to be adopted.

Well.. if his parents are gay, he may might be gay?
Sure... assuming two things. One that homosexuality is not genetic (prove it isnt) and two that being gay is wrong. In allowing gay marriage (as a top tier out of a two tier system) I am having to allow for the notion that there may be nothing morally wrong with being gay. If there is not, why is this a problem, Society wont accept - thats a load of BS for one, and society needs to grow up.

Well - they may sexually take advantage of him
Please... this is a ridiculous argument, although often made. Let me reiterate that most of my beleifs on anything behind closed doors involves consenting ADULTS. Pediphials have a problem, a problem society needs to deal with - they clearly take advantage of those theyshould not. Being gay does not make one a pedophile. Lets punish crime, but lets not extend it to soemthing that has nothing to do with it.

They will not show the child society
Umm... yeh. Statistically most gay long term couples are in the upper echelons of their social circles. They don't get there just by being gay. Doesn't work.

Frankly, I can't make all my views come together, and I beleive as such allowing gay marriage (again, see above for the definition of marriage here) is not contrary to any of my beleifs. I might not like the idea, but I would support it still.

Marriage is a legal thing, and it should be. In fact some early American churches considered marriage ceremonies a waste of Church resources. We need to get marriage back to what it was, make it strong, make it a serious committment. Once we have that, once we have made the way for Civil unions - contracted relationships on a individual basis with the full backing of the laws to protect them for those wanting something less than that super strong marriage (both gay and straight) I beleive we can make thsi country a little more equal for everyone, and a little more free for everyone to decide how to live their lives.

[Konigballer]

bertmcmahan may not accept these contradictions but they've always been there.

However, some editions of the Bible have been much more heavily edited than others, even though all editions have come under the editorial knife at one time or another and often by people with an ax to grind. Funny how you can edit "the word of God" is'nt it?


Heres an interesting site that list different editions of the Bible and some of the various editorial whittlework that was done on each succesive version. It also list a whole slew of Biblical contradictions. Its interesting regardeless of how you feel about this stuff:

http://www.bidstrup.com/bible.htm

[SCpoloRicker]

No, it's God-Breathed. All Scripture is God Breathed.

You, and others of this view, scare me through and through. Although reams of scientific research has been put into identifying when, where, and by whom the various books of the bible were written, I already have assumed that you dispute this info.

Gah, religous fanatics, of any stripe, are worthy of ridicule.

NJpb and rooster: those arab terrorists called. they want their zero back...

[Lohman446]

I think... go with me on this
We should find some church group going on an outing to a seafood restaurant.
And hold up big signs GOD HATES PEOPLE WHO EAT SHELLFISH
Make sure to have pamphlets telling people why

Or a barber shop
GOD HATES PEOPLE WHO SHAVE

I mean... Leviticus teaches it.

[NJPaint]

You, and others of this view, scare me through and through. Although reams of scientific research has been put into identifying when, where, and by whom the various books of the bible were written, I already have assumed that you dispute this info.

Gah, religous fanatics, of any stripe, are worthy of ridicule.

NJpb and rooster: those arab terrorists called. they want their zero back...

huh? I'm arab... I'm a Palestinian. its MY zero

[NJPaint]

Okay, this thread has been completely de-railed and has become a flame fest, so it is now OFFICIALLY about racoons, thank you and goodbye.

[NJPaint]