George Lucas, I love you but I hate you

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  • Mango
    i cant wait to blog this
    • Feb 2002
    • 4557

    #1

    George Lucas, I love you but I hate you



  • SCpoloRicker
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    • Jan 2004
    • 4375

    #2
    Han shoots......... simultaneously

    Have you gotten to ROTJ?

    "Meessa thinks its a trap!"

    /sorry

    I haven't picked up the DVD's yet... I heard that they are worked over AGAIN from the last special release. The shot you posted, Mos Eisley (again!), Cloud City (again!) and some work on the rotoscoping of the sabers.

    Comments on the set??
    God....I guess I was probably returning videotapes.

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    • Load SM5
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      • Oct 2000
      • 6772

      #3
      The also added a few more species into the last scene (they get their medals) of episode 4. And at the end of Jedi they change the ghost of Anakin to Hayden Christensen. Oddly they don't change Obi-wan's to Ewen McGregor. I wish he'd just leave it alone.


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      • wyn1370
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        • Feb 2001
        • 3821

        #4
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        the newer ones look better than the original one I've got
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        • Python14
          Norsk
          • Jun 2001
          • 3343

          #5
          Does George Lucas just not get it? Star wars was good because of the story and characters, not because of the graphics and species.
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          • brianlojeck
            Registered User
            • Aug 2003
            • 484

            #6
            That's why I bought them on VHS. He announced that he would never release the classic edition on DVD, so I snapped it up.

            The reworked editions are simply not worth watching IMHO.

            The biggest problem is, Lucas simply isn't a star wars fan. a real fan would have made much better movies for 1,2,3.
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            • gibby
              Kahuna Studios
              • Jan 2002
              • 2507

              #7
              Yeah...I'm real hesitant to buying the DVD boxset. I thought the Special Editions were cool, but I'd also like to enjoy the movies in its original form. That's what made those movies great even to this day. You didn't really need to spiffy special effects or the added scenes to make it better. It was great without them because of the story, characters, humor, and the action.

              ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! If people want all the eye candy, they'd purchase Episodes 1, 2, and soon to be 3. Speaking of Episode 3, that better be the darkest shiz we've seen!
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              • brianlojeck
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                • Aug 2003
                • 484

                #8
                Originally posted by gibby
                I thought the Special Editions were cool,
                I thought they were substantially worse, personally.

                The timing of the original movies was pretty good, but he had to add all sorts of long pauses in the action and dialog for his new effects (suddenly we linger longer on a window, or watch extra foot traffic pass by the street, etc...)

                It was also painfully obvious what was new and what wasn't, even with his cleanup of the old footage, which made the new stuff really stand out and look funny to me.

                I'd have been much happier if he'd just cleaned the film, remastered the audio, and gotten the dust and scratches off of the print.

                They were really really good movies, and to mess with them is just wrong...
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                • gibby
                  Kahuna Studios
                  • Jan 2002
                  • 2507

                  #9
                  Well, the "cool" factor for me were the little scenes that my friends and I used to talk about long time ago. Stupid scenes like Luke talking to his friend from Tatooine or the taking down of the statue of the Emperor at the end of Jedi, or Hans talking to Jabba having a more direct link to him later on in Jedi. Little things that a lot of people have discussed over the years. But I agree, in no way did those scenes make it any better.

                  But after seeing all the Special Editions, I must say that I am hungry at owning the originals on DVD. No extra special effects, or species, and just clean up the picture quality and sound quality. Unfortunately, that's asking for too much.
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                  • Fred
                    AO Zealot
                    • Feb 2002
                    • 2624

                    #10
                    I think its fricking rediculous they won't put 4-6 on DVD in their original form... just release em like they were on the THX vhs version! PLEASE!

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                    • Pballwizz
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                      • Oct 2002
                      • 626

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Load SM5
                      And at the end of Jedi they change the ghost of Anakin to Hayden Christensen.

                      No, please NO! Hayden Ruined the movies and made me think Vader was a wuss, now they have to go change the BEST of the original movies to add that prick. Damn, I never thought I would say this but SW is starting to suck. O well, at least they havent changed Chewie

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                      • SCpoloRicker
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                        • Jan 2004
                        • 4375

                        #12
                        Aint it Cool News has a pretty good breakdown on what was changed and what was done to the original film.

                        Re: End Ep VI funeral scene. Hayden replaces the original actor who played Vader without his mask. Reason given by GL (and he rarely explains) is that Anakin's body is almost entirely destroyed by the duel, and when he becomes Vader, that is the death of Anakin Skywalker. So when he appears to Luke with Obi-Wan and Yoda at Vaders funeral, he is Anakin Skywalker, as he died. Obi Wan never had a physical death until the duel with Vader on DSI, so thats what he looks like in spirit form.

                        I think that the actor who plays Vader w/o helmet still appears in the end duel with palpy/emp. I head his eyebrows are digitally removed though (burned off).

                        Also, have heard the extras on this set are fairly interesting.



                        //blatant speculation / pure fanboy hopes:

                        Original trilogy on DVD as part of large set covering prequels and originals.

                        Final three written by GL, directed by ESB guy, produced by Spielberg.

                        Likeliness of any of these....
                        God....I guess I was probably returning videotapes.

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                        • logamus
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                          • Dec 2002
                          • 2346

                          #13
                          well the argument lucas makes, much like the changes to thx1138, is that the changes reflect his true vision for the movie but he was limited at the time by technology. in rotj the anakin ghost scene at the end is going to by hayden now. at first that really bugged me, but the idea was that anakin really "died" when darth took over, like obi wan claimed. but at the time the moive was originally made he had no idea who anakin would actually be so he had to use the old guy.

                          i really wished he would have made the dvds have both the original and his special edition on the same disk. much like the aliens series did. oh well, im a loser starwars fan and i will buy the box set and camp out at the theater in may to see ep 3.


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                          • Jack_Dubious
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                            • Apr 2002
                            • 922

                            #14
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                            • Vendetta
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                              • Sep 2002
                              • 702

                              #15
                              George Lucas lost me and most of the people my age when those stupid ewoks started dancing and singing

                              After seeing the reworked-to-death Star Wars, I vowed not to see how he screwed up Empire Strikes Back. I also hate those stupid episode #'s

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