Intresting,: Iraq, EU and Kerry/Bush MATURE MEMBERS ONLY!

[oldsoldier]

Er, Pakistan, N. Korea, Iran...shall I go on?

[FactsOfLife]

What missles?

I always thought that if the payload was capable of mass destruction, that the delivery system was moot.

Hell in this day and age, humans make perfectly competent delivery systems.

Just ask the Palestinians. THey seem to be able to accomplish tremendous destruction just by hoofin it across the Israeli border.

Do you honsetly think that with the tremendous amount of open border we share between Canada and Mexico, that at some point in time some Islamo-Fascist isn't going to do the same thing?

A simple look at the weather channel in some truck stop will give you prevailing winds, and two minutes to release some horrendous chemicals upwind of say, Minneapolis could do tremendous damage. All without flying a missle into this country.

To dismiss the terror threat of portable WMD's from Iraq because they don't have some "missle" is patently stupid.

[GT]

Er, Pakistan, N. Korea, Iran...shall I go on?

who said the war on terror stops in iraq?

[Mango]

Lets not forget that Saddam terrorized his own people for decades as well as the surrounding countries. As Ayad Allawi said himself, after Saddam was taken out of power, out of the 18 provinces that make up Iraq there are only problems in certain pockets of 3 of them. The other 15 provinces are peaceful now and the people live without fear or discourse.

I think people get caught up in the fact that "oh well if he could have he would have attacked us." Well, when you harbor terrorists, you are a threat to the entire world.

[Koosh]

Lets not forget that Saddam terrorized his own people for decades as well as the surrounding countries. As Ayad Allawi said himself, after Saddam was taken out of power, out of the 18 provinces that make up Iraq there are only problems in certain pockets of 3 of them. The other 15 provinces are peaceful now and the people live without fear or discourse.

Thats the point I was trying to make...

If we use the excuse that Saddam was a "Bad Man", then why don't we do anything about the other "Bad Men" who terrorize their countries?

Or we could wait until the next Pol Pot, Slobodan Milosovich, or Rwanda Genocides to make the news, and then whine about how the "UN didn't do anything to stop it"....

[Fred]

Iran just tested a missle that could deliver a Nuke to Israel (and any target in-between, like US forces in Iraq, Kuwait, the Gulf, SA, etc...)... and they're frighteningly close to having the warheads.

Who's to say they won't put a missle or three in a freighter and launch/detonate them from NY Harbor? POOF! NYC, Washington, and any number of cities in the northeast are suddenly radioactive dust clouds.

Iran has already been caught smuggling TONS of weapons to Arab terrorists in Israel... they aren't gonna stop anytime soon.

btw... please stop referring to the Muslims in Palestine as Palestinians... its a misnomer... by definition Israelis are Palestinians too, they live in the region known as Palestine (and have been there thousands of years)... to exclude them from the label gives a false sense of ownership to the Muslims.

---Fred

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I always thought that if the payload was capable of mass destruction, that the delivery system was moot.

Hell in this day and age, humans make perfectly competent delivery systems.

Just ask the Palestinians. THey seem to be able to accomplish tremendous destruction just by hoofin it across the Israeli border.

Do you honsetly think that with the tremendous amount of open border we share between Canada and Mexico, that at some point in time some Islamo-Fascist isn't going to do the same thing?

A simple look at the weather channel in some truck stop will give you prevailing winds, and two minutes to release some horrendous chemicals upwind of say, Minneapolis could do tremendous damage. All without flying a missle into this country.

To dismiss the terror threat of portable WMD's from Iraq because they don't have some "missle" is patently stupid.

That's perfectly plausbile, except that Saddam didn't have WMDs, whereas N. Korea and others who hates America just as much if not more do.

[FactsOfLife]

That's perfectly plausbile, except that Saddam didn't have WMDs, whereas N. Korea and others who hates America just as much if not more do.

And I'll ask you the same question aaron_mag has refused to answer.

Are you willing to right now guarantee me that there are/were no WMD's in Iraq?

[RoadDawg]

And I'll ask you the same question aaron_mag has refused to answer.

Are you willing to right now guarantee me that there are/were no WMD's in Iraq?

They did at one point. IF they do now, who the hell knows. We haven't found much in our searches. My personal theory, and it's just that, a theory, is that they've all been moved across the borders (sold to the highest bidder), or already used up on the Kurds.

If people want to get across the border they are gonna get across. Whether it be by hiking in no where land or Scuba diving through a lake. They will get across. Plus I know all about the wind threat. Hell I lived 30 minutes away from a military depot that held the most Mustard gas/Nerve Agents in the western hemisphere (Tooele Utah) and not much farther away from that is Dugway (which has some nasty stuff as well).

I will agree with Senator Kerry on one thing for sure. Iraq should not be the focus. Even the 9/11 commision said Iraq had no link. We should of kept the WOT centered in Afghanistan and catch Bin Laden, who was responsible. Plus what people tend to forget is that democracy doesn't come over night. Even this great country took several years. Hell even now I think we still need some work.

By the way N. Korea is more threatening to me, then Iraq ever was. At least Iraq couldn't hit the West Coast with a rocket. Although I really doubt it would happen, as once we or our allies see a launch it's gonna be a big party and not many will enjoy the results.

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And I'll ask you the same question aaron_mag has refused to answer.

Are you willing to right now guarantee me that there are/were no WMD's in Iraq?

No, but I'm also not willing to guarantee you that there are no WMDs barried behind my house.

The point is war shouldn't be waged on the principle that something could possibly be there.

[GT]

There is still a bunch of worng stuff located in this thread:

1. 9/11 and Iraq are two seprate issues

2. N. Korea built its arnseal for defense, being such a small country right next door to China. Do you think the US would come to the aid of a communist nation of invaded by another commy nation? Probally not. the real issue with N korea is the sale of nukes and not the use which is the same problem we have with Russia, a supposed ally.

3. the Iraq war, and this whole election, is about what the US should do with counries who threaten us, do not allow the UN to inspect, and have the POTENTIAL to use WMDs. This is also the reason for the patriot act, greater intellegnecy gathering techniques, and a huge Homeland defense budget.


The question this novemeber is not who you are voting for, rather, are we willing to strick first, and sometimes make an error, or wait until struck

How much is our freedom worth to you?

[dsrkd]

Perhaps those in disbelief of Saddam's WMD should note that the Polish Army came accross 17 warheads on June 23rd of this year. Not a whole lot of press about it.

"The warheads all contained cyclosarin, said Polish Gen. Mieczyslaw Bieniek, commander of a multinational force."
"Laboratory tests showed the presence in them of cyclosarin, a very toxic gas, five times stronger than sarin and five times more durable," Bieniek told Poland's TVN24 at the force's Camp Babylon headquarters.
"If these warheads, which were still usable, were used on a military base like Camp Babylon, they would have caused unforeseeable damage."

Weapons that were "Illegal" per the cease fire agreement of Saddam's invasion of Kuwait have been discovered.

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Perhaps those in disbelief of Saddam's WMD should note that the Polish Army came accross 17 warheads on June 23rd of this year. Not a whole lot of press about it.

"The warheads all contained cyclosarin, said Polish Gen. Mieczyslaw Bieniek, commander of a multinational force."
"Laboratory tests showed the presence in them of cyclosarin, a very toxic gas, five times stronger than sarin and five times more durable," Bieniek told Poland's TVN24 at the force's Camp Babylon headquarters.
"If these warheads, which were still usable, were used on a military base like Camp Babylon, they would have caused unforeseeable damage."

Weapons that were "Illegal" per the cease fire agreement of Saddam's invasion of Kuwait have been discovered.

Proof?

[dsrkd]

Here's a quote from ABCNEWS.com



Here's a link to a story on newsmax.com

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/2/112615.shtml

ABC and Reuters are certainly not pro war or pro Presdent Bush, so the info cannot be labeled as slanted from the right.

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Give me a link from a credibly source.