Who won the debate?

[1stdeadeye]

Well said Facts!

[shartley]

[Muzikman]

Makes you wonder if the public indeed looks at the wife of a candidate as an influence in their decision.
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Yes...

After Hillary, I am scared of the power a first lady can have over a country. I want a first lady that will keep her trap shut, smile, be pretty and pick out curtains for the white house.

[FactsOfLife]

Yes...

After Hillary, I am scared of the power a first lady can have over a country. I want a first lady that will keep her trap shut, smile, be pretty and pick out curtains for the white house.

As opposed to say a first lady that makes a statement, then when called on it to explain what she meant, denies she amde it, then tells the reporter to "shove it"?

Or that if someone disagrees with her husband's plan for helath care, they are "idiots"?

Or my personal fave, being asked what she thinks of her husband's poor poll numbers in Arizona, and dismisses the entire state?

Teresa Heinze Kerry makes Shrillary look like the Beaver's mother...

[RevBrown]

I once heard someone say

"A liberal is a conservative who hasn't grown up yet, And a conservative is a liberal who lost his heart" Just someones words and sometimes they are kinda fitting

As for the debate Kerry did have a much better delivery and I would have to give that one to him. The president never has been smooth in debates. But that is what I first liked about Bush. He doesnt come off like a polished politition(sp). He is GW and that is what you see, hear, and get.

[PissedGodzilla]

Yeah, youth and stupidity versus age and wisdom.

Well... you guys have the age thing, I dunno about me yet.

The age thing is right... but i think it is more age and stubbornness (sp?) versus youth and rebellion. most of what FoL said was factually correct, and didn't favor either side, just statistics....

[PissedGodzilla]

I once heard someone say

"A liberal is a conservative who hasn't grown up yet, And a conservative is a liberal who lost his heart" Just someones words and sometimes they are kinda fitting

As for the debate Kerry did have a much better delivery and I would have to give that one to him. The president never has been smooth in debates. But that is what I first liked about Bush. He doesnt come off like a polished politition(sp). He is GW and that is what you see, hear, and get.

so your saying the less intelligent the debater, the more you like him??

[FactsOfLife]

so your saying the less intelligent the debater, the more you like him??

I think he said exactly what a vast majority of people in this country used to appreciate; and that is someone who says exactly what they mean without resorting to a lot of foofery.

I've now watched the debates twice. Second time to confirm a nagging thought that I had from the first time.

Kerry never said exactly what is was he would have done, or will do differently in Iraq than the President is currently doing.

I watched him say on numerous occasions that he would have "done things better", and "done things differently" than the President. Neither of which is a platform for getting yourself elected.

He repeated his earlier point that he would get more of the world involved in the war in Iraq.

I'm not sure how he is going to accomplish this, he never gave a specific answer as to how he thought he was going to get countries like France, Russia, and Germany involved when they have flatly stated time and again that they will not go in no matter who was elected.

I also do not understand how it is that he can continually denegrate those countries that are in Iraq with us, in whatever numbers, yet say he is going to get more countries involved.

That approach makes no sense to me at all.

I saw a polished debater be exactly what he is, a career politician. Never said anything that he could be pinned down on, and gave no ammunition to the opposition. I have to say that from a purely political standpoint it was a good debate for Kerry, no major mistakes, but on the same hand no major focusing of his platform. Something he has been sorely lacking thus far.

I also simply do not understand why it is that liberals claim to be the side of compassion, yet will attack someone malisciously on the way they speak, or look. Apparently to them it's ok to do this as long as they don't agree with their message?

I think this one thing will damage Kerry's election chances out of all the other factors out there. It's seen by the average person as petty, immature, and mean.

So, yes, I do agree to some extent that Kerry may have "won" the debate.

I think he has done so at the cost of the overall goal though.

[The Action Figure]

me liek gwb

[RoadDawg]

I also simply do not understand why it is that liberals claim to be the side of compassion, yet will attack someone malisciously on the way they speak, or look. Apparently to them it's ok to do this as long as they don't agree with their message?
Thing is with Bush's campaign he has tried to twist everything Kerry has said into negative things. Even when Kerry said the exact opposite. For example is when Kerry said "Saddam is a evil dictator and deserves his own spot in hell and we've traded a dictatorship for chaos, and something needs to be done." Bush went out the same day and said "Kerry prefers a dictatorship to democracy." If need be I'll even find the Yahoo news article that says BOTH candidates are doing such tactics but more so Bush then Kerry. To me that shows that he is afraid and is resulting to dirty and untrue words.

I think this one thing will damage Kerry's election chances out of all the other factors out there. It's seen by the average person as petty, immature, and mean.

So, yes, I do agree to some extent that Kerry may have "won" the debate.

I think he has done so at the cost of the overall goal though.
To be honest I think that debate was a waste of time. It for the most part was centered around Iraq and Afghanistan. There is so much more to foreign policy then that. The fact is I know we have troops in Afghanistan. Hell my brother is one of many there. The fact is they've lightened the troop load there, and put the rest in Iraq. My brother, who is a guardsmen, was supposed to be given a 15 day "leave" to come back to the states, but due to lack of man power he's probably gonna have to skip that, after they said they were going to go thru with it. So I will agree with Kerry, that we are not putting our best foot forward and getting Osama but were pretty much finishing up what Daddy Bush didn't finish. Now I'm not saying that we should of left Saddam alone but if your gonna label the fact that he broke several rules that we the world set on him after he invaded Kuwaitt, we have got a bunch more fish to fry in that case. Israel has done so violating, the U.S has done some, Iran, N. Korea, etc. I think GWB has opened a can of worms on this one. Overall though I'm looking forward to the other debates and hope they are more interesting then repeating the same stuff over and over.

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Now don't get me wrong. I don't think either candidate is the greatest. Plus I feel the whole "flip flop" thing is politics. All politicians have done something similar in their past. Also FoL I've noticed more informative and explanitory posts from you, rather then the "effing Liberals" you used to be counted on saying.

I think no matter what is also said on the debates, most people have made up their minds on who they are gonna vote for.

[FactsOfLife]

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Now don't get me wrong. I don't think either candidate is the greatest. Plus I feel the whole "flip flop" thing is politics. All politicians have done something similar in their past. Also FoL I've noticed more informative and explanitory posts from you, rather then the "effing Liberals" you used to be counted on saying.

I think no matter what is also said on the debates, most people have made up their minds on who they are gonna vote for.

effing liberals...

[cphilip]

Bush girls hotter than Kerry girls.... Nuff said!

[RoadDawg]

Bush girls hotter than Kerry girls.... Nuff said!

Even then they are still ugly. They look way too much like their father.

[matt-o]

kerry completely killed bush in the debate. bush lacks the lingual skills required to even debate... plus i hate him. kerry is a very good speaker, but i dont really like him either. i think kerry is the lesser of two evils, but thats only in the case of me having to choose one or the other.

vote nader

dont vote nader, it takes votes from kerry, its just throwing your vote away as nothing

[matt-o]

I watched most of it, and your right that Kerry was far and away better at this if you look at it from an Oxford debate team standpoint.

Ever watch the Water cooler, it ran for like two weeks on SPIKE. Bush is on it, and all of the sudden his accent drops and he talks like some British aristocrat with an impossibly high IQ, he explains his other voice is "for the people" Funny as hell, but a lot of Americans don't like politicians. Kerry talks smooth, elegantly, and seems "perfect" in his speech. He looks and sounds like the classic "used car salesman / lawyer / politician" that American's love to hate. And Edwards afterwards did not take that edge off. Honestly I think Kerry needed someone who could take that edge off him, and make him seem more likeable.

you republican goon
kerry won, simply for not being an idiot who lies to his country.