Holocaust survivors are sueing the U.S?

[PyRo]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041011/ap_on_go_pr_wh/gold_train&e=5

I don't get it, the Germans take their valuables, the Germans put them in concentration camps. Now because a few American officers took from the Germans some of the items the Germans had stolen we are responsible for everything the Germans took. At the bottom of the artical where is says we should pay holocause reperations I don't get it. How many Americans died freeing those people. Now they claim we owe them somthing, it is almost as if they have forgotten or just don't care.

I want to think (and hope that it is true) that this is just the work of a few money hungry people and that the majority of the survivors know nothing of this suit and would disaprove disaprove of it.

[Kevmaster]

and of course its not like we've been the lifeline of isreal since the end of the war. I think any reparations awarded should be retroactively credited it isreal...any free money we've given to them counts as part of the reparations...f em...


Hundreds of thousands of lives...billions of dollars...and its still not enough

sometimes it never will be.

[Glickman]

not many americans died for their freedom, if any, if i recall correctly..

it was mainly like british and russians who liberated the camps i think.

i wouldnt be surprised that were responsible for this. i remember reading that we did steal some of the things the germans and austrians took from the jews.

i say give it to them.. we took the crap, we gotta pay.

some could argue it would go to a better cause this way than what bush is using now.

while bush raised the most money since clinton, he also has created the biggest deficit, if u added ALL OF THE PAST PRESIDENTS' deficit, Bush's is still bigger

[PyRo]

It doesn't really matter who liberated the camps, had the U.S. not been involved Germany may very well have won the war and succeded in eliminating all the Jews. Russia and Briton (with us supplying them) may have eventually been able to wear the Germans out but the war would have dragged on years longer resulting in more deaths. So yes if it were not for the sacrifices America made all but a few of those 30,000 plaintiffs would not be alive today.

[justjoshin590]

hm....i think that reperations are due, its not like there sueing the soldiers is it? and for contributing to isreal, while i do support this these are hungarian jews, so israel has little effect on them

[PyRo]

Lets say you are locked in someones basement for three years being beaten daily and just barley kept alive. Then one day a SWAT team breaks in and rescues you but in the process they lost 2 men and spend $10,000. Would you really complain if they might have stolen a painting from the kidnappers that stole it from you?


Remember too that they want everyone to get reperations, not just the property owners. Even if you had not a penny to your name when the Nazis came in you still get $10,000 from the U.S. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

[PyRo]

hm....i think that reperations are due, its not like there sueing the soldiers is it? and for contributing to isreal, while i do support this these are hungarian jews, so israel has little effect on them

After WWII I think Jews from all over Europe includeing Hungarian Jews migrated to Israel.

[Glickman]

It doesn't really matter who liberated the camps, had the U.S. not been involved Germany may very well have won the war and succeded in eliminating all the Jews.

may be taking you outta context, but the US didnt fight WWII because of the genocide.. they did it to end the threat of germany becomming a dangerous world power


i think you give the usa too much credit. (im not trying to deminish the usa's efforts either)


and yea, alot of jews migrated to israel after WWII, and arafat's been pushing hard recently as well

[PyRo]

I never said we went to war to fight genocide but we did end up fighitng genocide. Just because it was coincidental doesn't mean that the U.S. doesn't deserve any credit. Do you really have any doubt that without direct U.S. involvement the war would have at a minimum lasted longer?

And we didn't care about Germany becomming a world power. We went to war because Japan bombed us. We declared war on them, they were allied with Germany so we were then also at war with Germany.

[Glickman]

And we didn't care about Germany becomming a world power. We went to war because Japan bombed us. We declared war on them, they were allied with Germany so we were then also at war with Germany.

ok...
well if we didnt go to fight genocide, what DID we go into fight initially?

and i think i just wet myself when u said that second paragraph. i think we certainly did care about germany, a dangerous, unbarred, brazen imperialistic country with the ability to utterly defeat europe.


laaaaa cucaracha!

[1stdeadeye]

not many americans died for their freedom, if any, if i recall correctly..

it was mainly like british and russians who liberated the camps i think.

THEN YOU WOULD BE WRONG!!! My wife's grandfather helped liberate one. Actaully just walked into it with his division as the Germans basically fled before they arrived. Learn your history and stop being a tool!


I won't dignify the rest of your babble.

[Glickman]

blah :P

i never said they didnt at all, i said not many.

it WAS mostly te british and Russian forces who liberated :P

this "babble" is A+ AP speech....
AND I SPEAK THE ENGLISH GOODLY!

[aaron_mag]

and of course its not like we've been the lifeline of isreal since the end of the war. I think any reparations awarded should be retroactively credited it isreal...any free money we've given to them counts as part of the reparations...f em...


Hundreds of thousands of lives...billions of dollars...and its still not enough

sometimes it never will be.

Nail on head!!!

but I don't think anyone is seriously considering suing the US over this issue. That would just be stupid.

[slateman]

Greedy Jews




j/k of course. But its kind of sad really.

[SlartyBartFast]

Actually, the US, Canada, Britain, and all other worlds powers (including the Vatican) have a lot to answer for when it comes to their treatment of the Jews and the genocide in Germany.

All turned boatloads of jews away and refused them entry even when many attrocities were becoming common knowledge. Sending them back to Germany and elsewhere knowing full well their future was threatened.

After the war, the British arrested and kept Jews in prison ships as they migrated en-mass to Palestine. Facing increasing numbers of Jews and no solution in sight, coupled with the guilt and desire for atonement after WWII, the newly UN was lobbied to split Palestine and create a Jewish homeland.

As for why the US went to war in Europe, well that's a political hot potato. It wasn't through altruism the US participated in the war. Any one who believes that has been led to beleive propaganda of the "Saving Private Ryan" sort.