If you could write a bill, what would you propose?

[RevBrown]

I would create a bill banning the sale of meat and impose stricter animal cruelty laws. LONG LIVE VEGETARIANS!!!!
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NM just read your next post

[slade]

Okay, I realise you're kidding but what you just said has no connection with reality.

The FACT is that humans DO and DID eat meat. Stopping meat consumption now would just result in the slaughter of millions of animals and the probable extinction of all non-pet and non-show domesticated animals.

Eating other things IS natural and when was the last time you saw anything in the natural food chain providing its prey with a humane killing. The food animals are probably better treated than many wild prey that have to fend for themselves while living in constant fear of predators until they are grusomely hunted down and killed or die a horrible death due to infection, desease, or starvation.

it seems like you are the one with no connection to reality. you say stopping meat consumption would result in the slaughter of millions of animals, but wait, isnt that exactly what would happen if meat consumption wasnt stopped? true it would be near impossible to stop meat consumption (as i said i was joking) since so many people eat meat, but if people wanted it to be done, "meat" cows and chickens could be altered over generations into "milk" and "egg" animals, (assuming people didnt become vegans) which could be raised under better conditions. (ie. free range chickens, instead of ones cramped into lightless boxes to save space).
and also, i do realize that eating animals is natural; if you read my posts, you will realize that i said that i am not against eating meat, but against raising animals to be killed, especially in the conditions that they are in. and also, if you had read that link that i posted, you would realize easily that the life of a chicken raised in a factory is far worse than any possible life of a wild animal, even if it is as bad as you describe it (which it is not). which is worse, living freely, but knowing that death may come if you make the wrong move, exposing yourself to the quick bite of a predator, or living trapped in a lightless, cramped box until you are 42 days old, and then being hung upside down and having your throat slit? which is worse, living with fear of death, or being tortured until its certain arrival?

[HoppysMag]

im gunna gracefully back out of this convo. but will eat 2 burgers for every one you dont... hey im a patriot im just trying to support those hard working americans that raised, shipped,slaughtered, packaged, and prepared the meat. think of them... i leave with this inspiring quote from one of the great philosophers of our time,Jack Handy.


Sometimes when I reflect back on all the beer I drink I feel ashamed. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn't drink this beer, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. Then I say to myself, "It is better that I drink this beer and let their dreams come true than be selfish and worry about my liver."
--Jack Handy

[slade]

So you would slaughter the animals by letting them overpopulate and starve to death?
Cows would go first because they are slow and easy to catch for what little predators are around.
Deer,Elk, and other game meats would go next because no one would be controlling their population?
Yeah we have predators but not enough to naturally keep the game animals from over populating, over grazing, and then dying off for good.
That is why hunting and fishing fall under "conservation laws"

well as i said in the post under yours, "food" animals could be domesicated to become "milk" or "egg" animals. and if, for some reason i do not know about, that is not possible, i would, as with the new hampshire motto, "live free or die", prefer the extinction of the domesticated animals to the conditions that they undergo.

and, as i said, i am okay with hunting, they live free and i find nothing wrong with them being hunted by humans, just like any other animal will do. in fact, i talked to the owner of a great metalsmithing shop, called sabersmith, and he said that a man bought a spear from him, and actually was able to hunt down and kill several animals with it for food. i admire someone like that.

but, on to the point you used to argue for hunting. as i said i am fine with hunting, but i dont exactly agree with the way you defended it. so essentially, from what you have said, animals will starve if some of them arent killed. but wait, dont we have starving children all around the world? what about those people in ethiopia? I think i am going to do a service to them and kill some of them, thereby allowing the others to survive adequately. And what about people in america? they have no predators, and are the population of these humans is growing unchecked. should we "thin their herds," so to speak, to prevent starvation?

i hope you saw the sarcasm in that, of course i dont approve of killing ethiopian children, or anything for that matter, to "prevent starvation."

[slade]

im gunna gracefully back out of this convo. but will eat 2 burgers for every one you dont... hey im a patriot im just trying to support those hard working americans that raised, shipped,slaughtered, packaged, and prepared the meat. think of them... i leave with this inspiring quote from one of the great philosophers of our time,Jack Handy.


Sometimes when I reflect back on all the beer I drink I feel ashamed. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn't drink this beer, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. Then I say to myself, "It is better that I drink this beer and let their dreams come true than be selfish and worry about my liver."
--Jack Handy

looks like you arent backing out of the conversation, considering you just made a comment just after said you were going to back out. but, in response to your comment, it would seem that your reasoning is your justification for spending money in an industry that thrives off of suffering is that you would deprive them of buisness. perfect logic . 1) what about all the companies that make vegetarian food? by buying meat, you are depriving them of buisness, so either way you spend the money there is someone who is receiving your buisness and many others that arent. 2) by not spending your money on meat, and instead buying other food, you would increase the demand for that other food and the former workers of the meat industry could get jobs in one of the companies that now has your buisness. 3) to address your little "patriot" comment, what about all of the american companies that make vegetarian food? buying from them would make you equally a patriot.

also, that quote is not at all inspiring. instead, it is a (rather creative, i have to admit) attempt at rationalizing spending money on getting wasted. and also, i have to contemplate the affect of being drunk on Mr. Handy's "logic"

[RevBrown]

I think i am going to do a service to them and kill some of them, thereby allowing the others to survive adequately. And what about people in america? they have no predators, and are the population of these humans is growing unchecked. should we "thin their herds," so to speak, to prevent starvation?
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Call it evil or absurd but that could be a start to the problem.
If you want my honest opinion to many people live to long these days.

[bjjb99]

well as i said in the post under yours, "food" animals could be domesicated to become "milk" or "egg" animals.

Well, that might solve half the problem. After all... who would want to drink "bull milk"?

BJJB

[HoppysMag]

looks like you arent backing out of the conversation, considering you just made a comment just after said you were going to back out. but, in response to your comment, it would seem that your reasoning is your justification for spending money in an industry that thrives off of suffering is that you would deprive them of buisness. perfect logic . 1) what about all the companies that make vegetarian food? by buying meat, you are depriving them of buisness, so either way you spend the money there is someone who is receiving your buisness and many others that arent. 2) by not spending your money on meat, and instead buying other food, you would increase the demand for that other food and the former workers of the meat industry could get jobs in one of the companies that now has your buisness. 3) to address your little "patriot" comment, what about all of the american companies that make vegetarian food? buying from them would make you equally a patriot.

also, that quote is not at all inspiring. instead, it is a (rather creative, i have to admit) attempt at rationalizing spending money on getting wasted. and also, i have to contemplate the affect of being drunk on Mr. Handy's "logic"

it was a joke, seriously dude...

[Echo419]

I'm gunna say I would write a 1,000,000 dollar bill so I could spend it