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  • ScatterPlot
    Not pop, it's all Coke
    • Jan 2002
    • 1960

    #1

    ATTN: Anyone with experience welding

    Howdy all, I am looking into getting myself a welder for Christmas this year. What I need to know from you guys is what kind you would reccommend. I have almost no experience; I have fiddled around with someone's ancient tiny arc welder for like 20 mins one time and could only get things to stick by dripping a ton of the stick on there, maybe a teeny bit of actual weld .

    So I don't really want to learn fresh on what I have heard is the hardest kind of welding to do. I was originally thinking about going with a MIG, but now I have been looking into oxyacetylene welding stuff cause I could use it to cut and heat stuff up and all, plus it seems that it would be much cheaper to do good welds with, so I don't have to have all the expense of a super duper electric one that I will only use for important welds like twice. My basic requirements are that it be pretty cheap to use, not TOO difficult to learn, and it can't be 220 volt. The lines I have running to my workshed are all 110 and I think 20 amps, not sure what the guy said exactly, but I'm pretty sure it's all 20 amp wire. So now I ask you, what are the advantages/disadvantages to all the types? And what's the difference exactly between MIG and TIG? I thought I knew but was getting it confused with oxyacetylene, but I'm not even really sure about that. My basic needs are gonna be stuff like my paintball gun, little piddly junk that I build, and maybe a battlebot in the future ( ). I have heard about some kind of MIG that doesn't use gas, but I dunno about how great that will be. Flux-core or something I think.

    Another thing- How expensive is it to get the gasses for the oxy and MIG (and TIG?) I would probly be renting a cylinder too, probly not buying one unless I'm convinced otherwise. And does MIG use CO2 or something else; I have read some different things on this subject. How much should I get if I do decide to go that route?


    Well thanks for any help I get. If you know the answer to even one question that would help, cause obviously I don't . Thanks a ton!
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  • TMAXXKING1
    ROGUE HAS THE GOOD STUFF
    • Aug 2004
    • 1325

    #2
    go with a mig

    i have a miller matic ... real nice peice .. if you want a good little mig welder go with a lincoln


    home depot has them and ebay has them cheap also .. but shipping would prob kill ya,,,


    as for a cutting torch look around at stores and shop... then go look on ebay ...
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    • frop
      Easily Irritated
      • Feb 2004
      • 751

      #3
      you can get an oxy-acetalene rig if you don't plan on welding anything thin or aluminum, it'll warp em. gasless mig is done with flux-core wire, but it usu don't produce as 'nice' a weld. really, what'd prolly be best for you is to take a welding course at your local community college.
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      • PyRo
        President Bioloaf inc.
        • Dec 2000
        • 10186

        #4
        Miller or Lincoln are the biggest brands and I would imagine just about anything they make is good, just be sure you can supply power to the one you choose and it is powerfull enough for what you want.
        I picked this one up at a garage sale for $100, then paid $120 for a tank of Argon-Co2, I think it's $28 to refill it. The thing was almost brand new when I got it, still had the extra tips and roll of wire from blue-point in it. Not a bad deal huh?


        I'm not an expert and i'm sure their is more than a differance than this, but Tig I think is pretty similar to a mig but has a foot petal to control the current making it easier to weld thin materials. I've been told someone who is good with a tig can weld a soda can back together. I think it's harder to learn though, Mig is the easiest as i've been told.

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        • HoppysMag
          Hoppy's en Fuego!!!
          • Oct 2001
          • 3494

          #5
          we also have a miller matic. good setup and pretty cheap
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          • Bad_Dog
            self proclaimed warpaholic
            • Jul 2003
            • 1777

            #6
            MIG is the easiest to learn... its like using the welding equivelent to a hot glue gun or a caulk gun...

            Arc is just fine once you get the hang of it, in fact I believe its the most commonly used welding process in the manufacturing industry...

            TIG is cool because you can make perfect pools with steel (compared to O/A welding) but for some reason the machine I used to use didnt like me when it came to aluminum or stainless... I just never got the hang of it...

            ~I'd go with a MIG machine...

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            • skife
              Unregistered User
              • Feb 2003
              • 2769

              #7
              oxy-acytlene is a PITA for welding small stuff.

              MIG is the easiest to learn, and probably best for what your doing, Its better to go with a MIG welder with a bottle then a flux core setup, the flux core setup has to run hotter so it has a greater chance of warping the metal.

              Lincoln makes great MIG welders.

              but like someone said, go take a course on welding at your local CC, it'll be worth the time/money.




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              • cphilip
                Former Moderator

                • Jun 2026
                • 16216

                #8
                I took a course at the local Tech College years ago. Well worth the money. We did Gas, Stick and MIG and a tad of TIG all in one summer. It was designed for the Farm/Shop guy. So you did not really spend a lot of time getting proficient in any one. You spend like three weeks on each one. Then you had like four leftover weeks to practice the one or so you really wanted to get proficient in. You just learned the basics and then went to town on each type. Very general but very good for most of us.

                Long ago lost all my stuff. But recently been reaccumulating some of it. Looking at a good MIG myself. My father in Law sold his really big one really cheap but it was just too big for me so I let it pass. I am leaning towords the most powerfull but yet run on 120V wire feed one I can get. Thats where I am thinking of going. So this is of interest to me too.

                I did pick up some clamps and jigs and a nice magnetic 45 degree agle holder just a few weeks back.... plus one of these new "automaticly changing welding helmets". These things are really slick. Not cheap but...You do not have to like flip it up to see your work and flip it down before striking the arch. You get total veiw all the time and good view at that! It automaticaly darkens and protects when it see's the first arch. It seems impossible I know but I got it and it does indeed work. Realy nice because you can see your work all the time while it stays in place. Has removable shield gaurds and all that stuff. I can't recommend it enough.


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                • Target Practice
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                  • Nov 2003
                  • 3180

                  #9
                  MIG is the easiest process to learn. Yo can get a really cheap Lincoln model at Home Depot. Personally, I use a Miller-matic 135. I like this model because you can weld some fairly thick stock while only needing 115 volts.


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                  • BlackVCG
                    Grubby Owner

                    • Oct 2000
                    • 4956

                    #10
                    Lincoln is OK.

                    Miller and ESAB are what you want to look at if you're planning on using the welder on a regular basis.
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                    • PyRo
                      President Bioloaf inc.
                      • Dec 2000
                      • 10186

                      #11
                      Originally posted by cphilip
                      I did pick up some clamps and jigs and a nice magnetic 45 degree agle holder just a few weeks back.... plus one of these new "automaticly changing welding helmets". These things are really slick. Not cheap but...You do not have to like flip it up to see your work and flip it down before striking the arch. You get total veiw all the time and good view at that! It automaticaly darkens and protects when it see's the first arch. It seems impossible I know but I got it and it does indeed work. Realy nice because you can see your work all the time while it stays in place. Has removable shield gaurds and all that stuff. I can't recommend it enough.
                      I've heard every once in a while those masks like to not darken quick enough and flash you, no problems?

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                      • billybob_81067
                        A.O.'s official Redneck
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 1682

                        #12
                        MIG is the easiest - I'd say go with a bottle setup. For welding plain steel you can use 100% co2 or a co2/argon mix, but if you want to weld aluminum you will have to get a spool-gun and run 100% argon in your bottle. They do sell smaller 110 volt mig welders but I'd recommend you get a 220 one.

                        Arc is very versatile - you can weld many different types of steel with an arc welder for example, plain steel, high carbon steel, stainless, cast, etc... All you have to do is get the right rod for the right job. All arc welders I've seen are 220

                        An oxyacetylene torch can be used to cut, heat, as well as weld. All you need to weld steel with a torch is some baling wire, or if you want to weld other metals you can always braze with a torch as well.

                        TIG is more complicated than MIG and Arc welding, but can be used to weld damn near everything. It takes both hands and a foot to weld with a TIG welder. You have to regulate the arc voltage with your foot while holding the electrode torch with one hand and holding a filler rod with the other. A lot of them even have a water cooled electrode torch system. They are more for professional welders and I doubt they make anything smaller than a 220 volt system.

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                        • cphilip
                          Former Moderator

                          • Jun 2026
                          • 16216

                          #13
                          Originally posted by PyRo
                          I've heard every once in a while those masks like to not darken quick enough and flash you, no problems?
                          Not that I can tell. Have all the right credentials to them and certifications and such. I certianly was skeptical though as are you. So I made sure I got a really good one.... i.e.... expensive and good. Been testing it out an its freaky fast unnoticable fast. I don't know how they do it really...


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                          • billybob_81067
                            A.O.'s official Redneck
                            • Jan 2001
                            • 1682

                            #14
                            Originally posted by cphilip
                            Not that I can tell. Have all the right credentials to them and certifications and such. I certianly was skeptical though as are you. So I made sure I got a really good one.... i.e.... expensive and good. Been testing it out an its freaky fast unnoticable fast. I don't know how they do it really...

                            They work just fine... we've got one that is actually a cheaper helmet that harbor freight was carrying at one time and it has worked just fine for many years now. The only time it won't darken is when you are welding behind something that blocks the arc from the U.V. light sensor on the helmet. Our helmet doesn't even need batteries... it uses a solar panel that collects the U.V. light from the welding to recharge the battery. Pretty sweet technology!
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                            • ScatterPlot
                              Not pop, it's all Coke
                              • Jan 2002
                              • 1960

                              #15
                              OK just to clarify something that I might have missed...
                              The 110 and 220 stuff refer to what kind of plug you plug it into, right? As in a toaster plugs into 110 and a dryer or something plugs into a 220, right? If so, is there any way I can convert my 110 wiring into having a 220 cheaply? Cause I have personally used a 110 plug arc welder (for like 20 minutes or something). Couldn't do it, but it plugged into a regular socket.
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