Markm needs to calm down

[CasingBill]

I think this thread is getting off point. I think most AO users feel like MarkM is on a powertrip. I know in the past I have been personally reprimanded and read about others who were banned or had a thread or post deleted and after my initial reaction I realized that the mods were prolly correct for doing so. But MarkM is out of hand. I don't remember any mods getting this much of a reaction before. I'm sure MarkM is a nice guy and well intended but maybe his culture just doesn't translate to this board. This is about MarkM in general not specifics.

[Eric Cartman]

Never thought this'd make it to 3 pages

I don't think anyone's going to win this argument any time soon, but the different opinions are definitely out there. I'm sure Mark has read this thread. I guess everyone will see whether or not it makes a difference over the next few days.

Andd while we wait, a dancing banana:

[behemoth]

Yah my most recent ban was for typing 4 astericks WITH spaces in between them, instead of saying the "S" word in a quoute from a movie... They new i didnt cus. 3 days

You i can undertand... but how could you ban such an influential member such as myself?

[cphilip]

Its happened to every mod at some point or another. Almost always its a banned user feels somehow wronged.

But in the end there is almost always a very weak excuse hiding whats really a personal dislike. Common people, its pretty obvious its a personal thing not a rules thing. You can't stand being corrected by someone new is what it is. And mostly it's members recruited by the violator who has spent time trying to rally people to his cause. And often his story lacks certain very important facts in it. And its true in this case. Most of the facts about this and several other issues brought up in this thread were misrepresented by the complainer. I have discredited and or corrected most of those already. I find many times these witch hunts kill there own credibility because the "tellers" leave out, very conveniently, a lot of the pertinent details.


Many times its the longer term member that already knows better gets less warnings. This is most true of a member that has a history of the very same error. Because he should know better.

[cphilip]

You i can undertand... but how could you ban such an influential member such as myself?

I rest my case....

[behemoth]

I rest my case....

i STILL think that my ban was injust. -- If you or any other mod saw it, i DOUBT it would have resulted in a 3day...

[cphilip]

i STILL think that my ban was injust. -- If you or any other mod saw it, i DOUBT it would have resulted in a 3day...

Of course you do!

Yea good thing I didn't... I woulda prolly made it 5 days....

[Rooster]

Yeah, but a limey as a mod? We fought a couple wars to make sure they didn't have any power over us.

[CasingBill]

Yeah, but a limey as a mod? We fought a couple wars to make sure they didn't have any power over us.

[cphilip]

Yeah, but a limey as a mod? We fought a couple wars to make sure they didn't have any power over us.

Yea and then spent over two years negotiating with them the terms of settlement which secured our lasting ties with them settling the war on good terms with them... first time ever in any two countries at war conclusion..... And then later they seem to be the only ones backing us up when we need them.... Yea.... why that!

[Albinonewt]

You don't have any more rights to that thread than we do. You posted it publicly... it's public information after that. If you don't want something to become public domain... don't post it in the first place... So don't get all fresh with me over something you posted you decided was not fit to remain. Think before you do it. After that...well... sorry... but its not yours anymore. Where did you get the idea it was. We might "allow" you to retract. But we don't have to. If the retraction hides something we feel people should know.... that you posted... your fair game. Sorry. But consequences are always possible. By the way. I moved that thread to the graveyard. So no one can see it now. So its dead. But its preserved. Not for the public. So thats the least I can do for all of you.

Funny, nobody saw it that way when Tyger deleted the thread he threatened to kill me in....

[lord1234]

When you have been banned multiple times.... some of them for the very same offense... and something that you should know better than to take a chance on because your technicaly eligible for a permanent ban already... your have had all the warnings you need.

Now if it was you Magman007 it might be different. Mark has access to the ban histories. He can tell if its someone who has demonstrated a repeated history of disregard for the rules. He can use that in his judgement of wether or not to cut someone some slack or not. He chose not to. I can't say what I might have done but it would and is justified in this case. Thats what I am saying.

Let me tell you an old Unka Phil story. Bear with me!

I had a friend. His Dad was taking care of the Grandkids one day. He as like in his 80's at the time. The Kids became a bit unrully. They were jumping on the bed. Grandpa says "Quit jumping on the bed". They stop for a few minutes. Then begin jumping on the bed again. Grandpa takes out his strop and goes in there and gives em each a swat! They immediately stop and do not dare do it again.

Soon as Mom comes home.... they go running to mom screaming "mommy mommy, grandpa hit us and didn't even give us three warnings!"

Grandpa says... "what the heck do you need three warning for. I told you once... you didn't listen... end of story".

This is a true story. I was there. I laughed my behind off when those kids complained they expected three warnings before they were going to comply. I think they learned a valuable lesson.

Where did we go wrong making everyone think that in life everyone gets three warnings? Who says? And I am certian the kids had gotten in trouble for jumping on the bed before in thier lives. How many warnings had they already had? Life ain't always "three warnings" in order to do something right. And sometimes prior warnings count... after all... your supposed to get warnings to teach you something hopefully and give you a chance. Punishment may come at any time... without warnings.. when you have demonstrated that warnings ain't working.

This was the best story ever. If i was their dad I would have given them one myself for talking back to their grandpa.

[magman007]

phil, just for the refference, i hadnt known of any past rule incursions with joe, and he did not put me up to this. as an upright citizen of ao, i felt something needed to be said. this isnt a Dirtybunny argument or a noskillz like we have seen in the past.

I felt something needed to be said, and people needed to have their views expressed. Joe was just an example, and not the main focal point

[SpecialBlend2786]

I guess I now know how the rest of the world feels about george bush.

ouch....

[RobAGD]

Wow, Marks Hate Threat made it 3 pages, that completly crushed mine 1.5 page hate thread.

Wow, a mod/admin hated more than me

MarkM you have arivied ! Now lets see if you get hate mail like I did

I have afewthings I would like to add guys :

For many of you that complain about the change in AO since mid 02, that comes a lot from the users not the mods. Early on with the forum MOST of the people posting behaved themselves and didnt push the rules.Then we started getting many many more users and we started to have to crack down on the rules issues. We continue to have to swing a way heavier hammer than we would like because people just cant seem to get thier crap right and just be civil or use some comon sence.

If you all dont want us to wield the hammer liek we do then get on the people that dont get it, PM them about what they are doing, tell them its not acceptable. In the lastfew months I have seen a big change in several of teh older members that seem to want to rantand carry one a push thing justtoo see how far we will bend before we start hammering them. It will happen, If its not Phil or Me it will be someone guys. Get a grip and get it together . Ao use to pretty much govern itself, those were the good old days and "I" would love to see those days back. I would also like tosee a lot less of the posted non sence and post whoring.

Just like Sig images use to be cool and people kept them in check and then all hell broke loose and we had to make rules to govern them. We have to react to whats done here, thats a bit of teh nature of what we do. mark reads what we post up about rules and stuff in our forum, he acts on the rule, a bit harsh , maybe but in the letter of teh rules he is right for the most part. power tripping I say Nay. He has onlyreally had to deal with people in one forum and thatwas very black and white issues in the forum. He did a good job at that and we asked him to expand to teh rest of teh board as Miscue, myself and blackvcg hardly get very deep in the forums liek we use to. Most of what I do is in the back ground unless someone brings up a problem in chat.


For you old timers just remember : in the early months/years I had to carry a very big club and use it a lot and it got almost every one in line. We have peroids where we lag a bit and then wherewe are more active, go withthe flow.

Anyway I have to get my paper work done and fix my weekending paperwork. What a joy

-Robert