california is at it again

[Army]

Calli has laws concerning just this. Passed in the 80's by a wide majority. If the gun range has been there long before the neighbors came, the new people lose.

They already tried this in Atascadero (Ca.) with the local gun club....didn't work. Heck, the Sierra Club has been trying to shut down my my club range since it opened in the late 70's, all because it resides on US property and "the land should be availabel for anyone to use, not just a private club"...which has also been tossed out of court, since the club and range is open to anyone.

It wouldn't surprise me that the San Gabriel range gets shut down...not by court order, but by going broke answering all the lawsuits. Such is the way with the new Liberal agenda.

[Pickle]

As for LA County being anti-gun...with the possible exception of Cook Co, there aren't any more so.

You have forgotten San Fransisco my good friend. They are trying to outlaw ownership of all handguns....period.

This is the same as people moving next to an airport and then complaining about the noise. John Wayne airport in Orange County, CA is a prime example. There is a curfew there. Planes can't leave after 10pm. Why? Because rich people live under the flight plan.

[SCpoloRicker]

Calli has laws concerning just this. Passed in the 80's by a wide majority. If the gun range has been there long before the neighbors came, the new people lose.

They already tried this in Atascadero (Ca.) with the local gun club....didn't work. Heck, the Sierra Club has been trying to shut down my my club range since it opened in the late 70's, all because it resides on US property and "the land should be availabel for anyone to use, not just a private club"...which has also been tossed out of court, since the club and range is open to anyone.

It wouldn't surprise me that the San Gabriel range gets shut down...not by court order, but by going broke answering all the lawsuits. Such is the way with the new Liberal agenda.

You had me till "the new Liberal agenda."

[drg]

You had me till "the new Liberal agenda."

It's kind of like saying shrinking government by bankrupting it with unchecked deficit spending is the new Conservative agenda.

[ej_y4]

Please keep in mind that Califonia should really be about two or three different states. The folks in So Cal-generally speaking look at things differently than those in Nor Cal. In fact those in the Bay Area and LA area are generally politically much more left leaning than those in the rest of the state. Unfortunetly for the "red state" people, the majority of this fine state vote "blue" if they vote at all.

Boski

Um i live in LA county, your wrong. Most of socal is conserative(most of LA is libaral). Where that gun club is located is a very conservative area, i know, i live near there.

the people there probably dont like the idea of a gun range by their houses, i know i wouldnt. However they moved there knowing there was a gun range. The range will probably be shut down because of the lawsuits and lawer fees. Its a shame, but there are other gun ranges around.

[Pickle]

Speaking in generalities here

Most liberals don't like guns, most conservatives like guns. There are exceptions to both but mostly this is true.

When comparing the "liberal" party to the "conservative" party you will find that 9 out of 10 times the "liberal" party will be the one trying to put some restriction on gun ownership or use. I beleive that is all Army was trying to convey, albeit is a much shorter context.

[Jack_Dubious]

So are you going to buy a house next to a strip club them complain about it?

Let me repeat myself again. I am not saying that the neighbors have a valid argument! Im saying just because they dont want the gun club next to them, does not automatically make them anti-gun.

JDub

[Pickle]

Even I would agree to the that.

[drg]

Most liberals don't like guns, most conservatives like guns. There are exceptions to both but mostly this is true.

That's crap. Most anti-gun groups align themselves with liberal causes more (which is a no-brainer, they want regulation). That is NOT the same thing as most liberals being anti-gun. That's a logical flaw.

Also, favoring gun control does NOT mean someone doesn't "like" guns.

[1stdeadeye]

People shouldnt automatically assume that just because a city is trying to shut down a Gun Club ,its because the city hates guns.
Isnt it just as possible perhaps that the City wants that land, or the neighbors hate the noise?


on a side note to everyone who lives in other states: California really does suck....so i think you should all QUIT MOVING HERE!!! We're full!

JDub

Yay! JDub has returned!!!

Where have you been!

[1stdeadeye]

atleast you dont live in the gay state. Massachuessets.

At least your Govenor did not come out of the closet after having a gay affair with an Israeli National who he got a job watching over our homeland security!

It's gonna take us a while to live that down.

[1stdeadeye]

I wouldnt want to live next to a strip club...but that doesnt make me anti stripper. Hell i love strippers more than guns!!

JDub

[tsc]

For everyone saying Democrat != gunhater, do a search over at http://www.democrats.org for "gun control". Yeah. While well-applied gun control is needed, banning everything that's matte black and has a trigger is ridiculous.

Now, liberals are not always Democrats, that is true. However, the majority of liberals are democrats.

See, for example, Illinois. You cannot own a handgun in Chicago. No Class 3, statewide. FOID is state law. If you are institutionalized (ie, loony bin, whether consentual or not) makes you ineligible for this. Unless you are police/FBI, you cannot carry a concealed weapon. Period. They may be hard to get in California, but they exist.

Everyone complains about California, and other states have just as restrictive gun laws. California just tends to make a bigger show about it.

[brianlojeck]

ok, here's an LA resident's take on it.

1: yes, most upper-middle class white socal residents are anti-gun. They are also anti-airplane, which is why most planes fly low over poor black and hispanic houses while John Wayne airport leads the country in tailstrikes (when the plane's tail hits the ground on takeoff) due to the steep takeoff angle to keep the rich folk quiet

2: yes, they are claiming all sorts of reasons to close the club. noise, polution, traffic, etc... the ultimate reason is, they dont' like guns. You can't close a club because you don't like guns, so they look for other stupid reasons. How many reasons came out in support of Prop 187? nobody actually said "it's because we hate Mexicans", but that was a pretty big reason for it...

3: socal may be economically conservative (esp. the wealthy), but they are socially liberal, sort of the opposite of a Libertarian. the average cali activist thinks teenagers should be able to get abortions without their parent' knowledge, yet thinks a man shouldn't be able to buy a Playboy. there is no logic, that's why their activists and not philosophers...

4: no, it's not just liberals that do this. a conservative city would do the same thing to keep a homeless shelter or rape crisis center out of it's borders.

[Pickle]

Actually no, it is not "crap" but thank you for your well thought out response (knee jerk).

Please remember that I said I was speaking in generalities and that there were exceptions.

DRG - "Most anti-gun groups align themselves with liberal causes more (which is a no-brainer, they want regulation). That is NOT the same thing as most liberals being anti-gun. That's a logical flaw."

And I could argue that most liberals would align themselves with anti-gun causes. It is a circular argument. Anti-gun liberals outnumber anti-gun conservatives 10-1, at least.

DRG - "Also, favoring gun control does NOT mean someone doesn't "like" guns."

I suppose this could be semi-successfully argued however, if you like guns, support the 2nd amendment you will probably not favor gun control. A caveat to this would be 100 round drum assault rifles. If you don't like guns and think that the 2nd amendment does not apply to citizens (see 9th circuit court decision) then you will probably favor gun control. It is a way to get rid of something that you don't like. Yes, it is that simple.

The anti-gun lobby is attacking the wrong people. Let's take San Fransisco for example. They are attemtping to outlaw handgun ownership. Not possessing in public or concealed but actualy ownership. This includes in your own home. Ask yourself why in the world would a government not want John Q. Public to be able to protect themselves? Guns need to be removed from the criminals hands, not JQP's hands.

If the problem is criminals and gangbangers shooting people then why are laws being passed or attempted to be passed that would remove guns from normal citizenry without affecting the criminal element? Answer, they don't like guns.

Arguing that guns kill people is like arguing that spoons made Rosie O'Donnel (sp?) fat.