california is at it again

[PyRo]

Everyone complains about California, and other states have just as restrictive gun laws. California just tends to make a bigger show about it.

California is also usually the first to adapt new laws then other states follow. The same with vehicle emissions.

[Pickle]

ok, here's an LA resident's take on it.

1: yes, most upper-middle class white socal residents are anti-gun. They are also anti-airplane, which is why most planes fly low over poor black and hispanic houses while John Wayne airport leads the country in tailstrikes (when the plane's tail hits the ground on takeoff) due to the steep takeoff angle to keep the rich folk quiet

2: yes, they are claiming all sorts of reasons to close the club. noise, polution, traffic, etc... the ultimate reason is, they dont' like guns. You can't close a club because you don't like guns, so they look for other stupid reasons. How many reasons came out in support of Prop 187? nobody actually said "it's because we hate Mexicans", but that was a pretty big reason for it...

3: socal may be economically conservative (esp. the wealthy), but they are socially liberal, sort of the opposite of a Libertarian. the average cali activist thinks teenagers should be able to get abortions without their parent' knowledge, yet thinks a man shouldn't be able to buy a Playboy. there is no logic, that's why their activists and not philosophers...

4: no, it's not just liberals that do this. a conservative city would do the same thing to keep a homeless shelter or rape crisis center out of it's borders.

Your post could almost be inferred as having a racist tone to it You need to be more careful what you type and how if this is not the case. No, as of yet, I do not think you are racist. I'm just giving you a word of advice. Please take it how it is meant. :)

As a white Orange County resident who actually lives here I can shed some on it for you.

1. John Wayne take offs are indeed steep due to the noise abatement program they have there. Yes, most planes take off over affluent areas and they have political clout.

2. First part of your post in on topic and good. How prop 187 came into this argument is beyond me. But I'll humor you. For those that don't know prop 187 was an anti-illegal immigrant proposition that passed by the voters (all the voters of CA, even the liberal ones) by 60%. CA is mostly liberal yet this initiative still passed. This proposition took away many social programs and benefits that illegal immigrants get. This would also be any illegal immigrant, not just your "Mexicans". However, illegal immigrants who are mostly Mexican here, cost the state of CA 8 billion last year. It was not a anti-Mexican prop as you suggest. It was a anti-illegal immigrant prop. If CA is so liberal why would minority loving liberals not want minorities here?

The biggest problem with this prop was that it removed kids from schools and such. No matter how you cut it you can't mess with kids.

3. You make some good points. No real argument there. Other than you apparently have some issues with wealthy people. No, I am not one of them.

4. A homeless shelter? Perhaps. Depends on location. A rape crisis center? I don't think so. Why in the world would a conservative city, or liberal for that matter, want to keep a rape crisis center from opening anywhere? That's balderdash.

[Pickle]

I can see this thread getting out of control if people do not use a civil tongue. So, let's please keep this adult and respectful. :)

[brianlojeck]

Your post could almost be inferred as having a racist tone to it You need to be more careful what you type and how if this is not the case. No, as of yet, I do not think you are racist. I'm just giving you a word of advice. Please take it how it is meant. :)

Well, I am white, so I figure I'm allowed to say this under the same rule that lets black people call each other "niggah".

1. John Wayne take offs are indeed steep due to the noise abatement program they have there. Yes, most planes take off over affluent areas and they have political clout.

steep to the point that aircraft hit the ground. that's not good. and when the same problem sprung up in North Long Beach (where I used to live) we all got the finger from the government. My walls used to rattle every time Jet Blue took off, and I lived a good half hour drive from Long Beach Airport. Those planes cut a narrow path, avoiding Lakewood and Signal Hill (both more wealthy areas), yet managing to go over North Long Beach and Compton (both less wealthy areas).

2. First part of your post in on topic and good. How prop 187 came into this argument is beyond me.

one of the prime examples of how many BS excuses for a law you'll hear someone plop on the table to hide their real agenda. Prop 187 was a knee-jerk reaction by people who were tired of having to press one for english.

I wrote my post pretty badly here, I was tired. ;-)

If CA is so liberal why would minority loving liberals not want minorities here?

good point. my first guess would be that potheads just don't seem to make it out to the polls. ;-)

The biggest problem with this prop was that it removed kids from schools and such. No matter how you cut it you can't mess with kids.

3. You make some good points. No real argument there. Other than you apparently have some issues with wealthy people. No, I am not one of them.

me either. I'm sure I'd be more understanding if I were. ;-)

4. A homeless shelter? Perhaps. Depends on location. A rape crisis center? I don't think so. Why in the world would a conservative city, or liberal for that matter, want to keep a rape crisis center from opening anywhere? That's balderdash.

Rape Center was the wrong term... I meant those halfway houses for women, like when they're on the run from an abusive husband. I've seen two of these shut down or have plans canceled to build them due to public NIMBY protests (one in NY, one in Cali).

My point was, no activist group ever admits that they just don't like the local gun club/strip club/homeless shelter. Their is a set of stock protests that are brought up to hide their true intentions, and as such poor neighboorhoods pull most of the weight when it comes to dealing with the hassles of every day city life.

[Pickle]

Rape Center was the wrong term... I meant those halfway houses for women, like when they're on the run from an abusive husband. I've seen two of these shut down or have plans canceled to build them due to public NIMBY protests (one in NY, one in Cali).

That's a shame. People should be throwing their doors open and pulling the the protective curtain down for women on the run.

My point was, no activist group ever admits that they just don't like the local gun club/strip club/homeless shelter. Their is a set of stock protests that are brought up to hide their true intentions, and as such poor neighboorhoods pull most of the weight when it comes to dealing with the hassles of every day city life.

Amen and one example for protestors hiding their true intentions. Jesse Jackson and his rainbow Coaltition. I think they just hate white people.

[brianlojeck]

That's a shame. People should be throwing their doors open and pulling the the protective curtain down for women on the run.

It really is a shame. The main perception problem is that a lot of these women are poor, many have drug or alcohol problems (or are perceived to anyway) and many are (gasp and horror) minorities.

Hence my issues with the wealthy. How much have hollywood stars given to asian tsunami support recently? How much did these same people give to help education or the poor here in the states in the past few years? How many of them worry about medical care in the Compton/Watts/Lynwood area now that King/Drew closed it's ER? How many of them would let a halfway house open up near them? Or a medical center that caters to HIV patients?

[Pickle]

Oh boy,

Don't get me going on those Hollywood spokesholes!

[PyRo]

Would you want a half way house next door?
A whole bunch of people living in the house, comming and going constantly. Your going to get some winners too, yelling, police showing up, angry ex husbands showing up, etc. Your propertly value going down. No one wants that opening up next door.

[Pickle]

Would I want a "half way house". No. That description lends itself to probationers, parolees and drug users.

Would I want a safe house for abused women? I wouldn't care.