AO Brouhaha - An Observation

[RobAGD]

I couple of problems were threads titles eg.

I f'ed a fatchick last night !

I f'ed your mom today!!

etc.

I had never been to the thorums until there was a question about the content. I went looked around and to be honest I didnt like some of what I saw. My advice was to Break the links, leave the sig image. If they type in the url thats differnt than just click through.

I know mods had been to thorums and they may not have wanted to say anything due to friend ships. One of the reasons the links lasted as long as they did. A mod went and found questionable content.

First rule is to break the links or delete the sig. Then deal with it, Sigs can be replaced. We miss things, sometimes we ignore small things for people typically in good standing. We DONT go out of our way to pick on someone, I save that for the Chat room

Too many people think stuff is done for personal reasons. Its quite simple we found a violation and corrected it. Some rules are a tad vauge on somethings to give us some laditude on what we do. If someone is being just a prick, and a PM dosent curb the behavior they get a ban. He may not have "broken" a rule per say but the action needed to be taken for the better of the board. And Thats why we do what we do.

People need to look in the mirror before blaming the mods/admins for problems, we are reactionary in what we do, people do naughty things we fix by whatever means we have to.

-Robert

[PBX Ronin 23]

I hope that this brings a little more clarity. Thanks Rob.

[Target Practice]

How is it that the Mod's decide what is appropriate when 5 of the Mods belong to the Thorums. One of them joined up for the sole purpose to flame and threaten Thordic with the very same language that would get anyone banned over here; the very same language that is considered taboo over here.

Sounds kinda hypocritical, I'd say. But hey, I'm just a member, right?

[Lohman446]

How is it that the Mod's decide what is appropriate when 5 of the Mods belong to the Thorums. One of them joined up for the sole purpose to flame and threaten Thordic with the very same language that would get anyone banned over here; the very same language that is considered taboo over here.

Sounds kinda hypocritical, I'd say. But hey, I'm just a member, right?

Not at all - just because I stay in the rules of this site (generally) does not mean I agree with them. I simply have enough respect for the site owner(s) and operator(s) to stay in the rules they have put out. The Thorums operate under more lenient rules, and if posting on that site, I would stay in those rules rather than these. I don't adopt these rules as a moral standard for everyday life or everywhere, I adopt them as the rules for this site.

[hitech]

The Mods are tasked with evaluating the material on AO and deciding if it is allowable. The owner of AO decides what type of material is allowable. The mods are carrying out the "will" of the owner of AO.

What the individuals who perform the moderation of AO do in the Thorums should have nothing to do with AO.

[Target Practice]

Not at all - just because I stay in the rules of this site (generally) does not mean I agree with them. I simply have enough respect for the site owner(s) and operator(s) to stay in the rules they have put out. The Thorums operate under more lenient rules, and if posting on that site, I would stay in those rules rather than these. I don't adopt these rules as a moral standard for everyday life or everywhere, I adopt them as the rules for this site.

I understand what you're saying. I too have the respect to stay inside of the rules here (generally). I also stay inside the rules on the Thorums, where I am an active member. But the vast majority of the people who got banned didn't break any rules. I didn't. Thordic didn't. TSC didn't. We DID operate under the rules. The problem arose when Mod's began thinking in terms of right and wrong, instead of what was and what wasn't against the rules.

Summary: It just seems like the whole argument is based on what's right (here) and what's wrong (there).

Like I said, my two cents.

[PBX Ronin 23]

Summary: It just seems like the whole argument is based on what's right (here) and what's wrong (there).

I hope you don't interpret this as an attack or criticism of members who have been affected by this weekend's brouhaha.....but.

It seems like there's a feeling of persecution that is pervading the group of AO members that frequent both sites. Based on my conversation with some people, there was no marching order ever given to go after anyone. The discovery of the material in question happened purely by happenstance.

Whether adequate opportunities were given to properly correct the problem or not...well no one seems to know.

The bottom line is that there was material found linked to AO that can be construed as contrary to the standards set by the owner of AO. Nothing more, nothing less. Can every linked site in violation of these standards be subject to the same outcome....Yes. Is it a likelihood that they will....unless you directly send the Mod Team on a search and destroy mission, I doubt it.

The thing to remember is that we are all guests in this house and whether we believe or agree with the house rules, we must all still abide by them. Such rules will obviously vary from house to house.

[Target Practice]

The Thorums have been linked from AO since they were created in February of '04. I find it rather hard to believe, with mods as members of those forums and the forums being owned an operated by a friend of many of the mods, that it's content has gone unnoticed since it's conception.

Perhaps the question that should be asked is, what happend to trigger the sudden and uncalled for attack against something that had been accepted for almost a year?

EDIT: Spellers Untie

[GT]

How is it that the Mod's decide what is appropriate when 5 of the Mods belong to the Thorums. One of them joined up for the sole purpose to flame and threaten Thordic with the very same language that would get anyone banned over here; the very same language that is considered taboo over here.

Sounds kinda hypocritical, I'd say. But hey, I'm just a member, right?

Its kinda like going out to a club or hanging out with your boyz versus your deamonor at work. Would you get drunk at work and slap all the nice ladies on the behind?

[PBX Ronin 23]

Its kinda like going out to a club or hanging out with your boyz versus your deamonor at work. Would you get drunk at work and slap all the nice ladies on the behind?

LOL. That's a novel way of looking at it.

[RobAGD]

TP TSC and a few other were bans for comments aimed at the mods. And others for flying the Throums banner in defiance.


I think that the mods that are members of the thorums were not doing thier job if they knew about the links and the materials. As the Admin I dont goto his site so I didnt know. When it was brought to my attention and I saw what I would consider materal that shouldnt be linked I told the proper Mod and action was taken.

That simple. Just because for a year it was ok, something changed or something was found and it was no longer ok. Just like there use to be part of NV that didnt have a speed limit, The now have a speed limit, you cant argue to the cop writing you a ticket that the road use to not have a speed limit so you dont derserve a ticket. It dosent work that way.

-Robert

[tsc]

TP TSC and a few other were bans for comments aimed at the mods. And others for flying the Throums banner in defiance.

No, Rob, the reason I was given was that I "flamed" a member. That ban has since been overturned, well before it's expiration.

[RobAGD]

The reason I got in our forums was something to do about a Mod.

As for the ban being over turned there were a few mods that went a bit out of thier reach in taking people off thier bans. That issue has been delt with. There was a warentted reason for the ban give the info I was given.

-R

[Target Practice]

What comment did I make toward a mod? When did I "fly the Thorum banner"?

I have never linked the thorums in my signature. I would go so far as to say that I have never linked to the Thorums in any of my posts.

I was told by a mod after the fact that writing the address to the Thorums was the same as linking to it.

Really?

If they type in the url thats differnt than just click through.

Huh.

EDIT: Stuff.

[RobAGD]

TP TSC and a few other were bans for comments aimed at the mods. And others for flying the Throums banner in defiance.

That was typed poorly it shoudl have been

TP - TSC and a few other were bans for comments aimed at the mods. And others for flying the Throums banner in defiance.

I have no idea bout your ban. I was speaking about TC and a few others and I was also speaking in general terms.

Also when a crap storm starts, when we have people that are flaunting the current issue the mod has the ability and authority to ban users until things settle down.

And TP dont try to argue the general to the specific it's a flawed argument.

And your starting to get the " I was attacked by a mod" feel to your post.

-Robert