che Guevara?

[matt-o]

Oh yeah, In before the lock!!!

dont lock my thread!!!

but in before the lock just in case

and we totally should have beaten the communists out with the nazis after world war 2, we had the leverage of nuclear weapons, we wouldnt have even had to use them

and communism may work but only in small societies like the hippie communes and amish. i think the key is for everyone in the community to have the same views which isnt possible on a large scale. and when people like castro and stalin use it for their own means it also gets corrupted. like was said before it works on paper but almost never in practice

[pimpnsince1987]

pimpnsince1987, you're an under-educated and under-experienced idiot kid who doesn't have a clue yet feels the need to spout your nonsense anyway.

Communism was a peaceful party? Tell that to the millions of Russians who died under Stalins rule. Tell that to the millions of Russians who are in poverty because Communism has ruined the infrastructure of their country, and corruption has been so rampant the mafia has more say in the government than any current elected official. Communism was far was peaceful. And don't get communism and socialism confused, there are NOT the same thing.

As for being allied with them during WWII, there were MANY Americans who thought that after we defeated the Germans we should have invaded Russia afterwards since we already had the Army, infrastructure, and supply capabilities in motion. It was a tenous alliance at best. Two enemies united against a greater threat. You think the Cold War started after WWII out of nowhere? We were never buddies with the USSR.

pure communism has no rulers
russia was not marxist communism, stalin followed his own form of communism
you cant blame a group of people for one person
and yes the US and Russia were allies in ww2 look it up we started the cold war beacause russia wanted land that the US took away from russia and gave to germany after the end of the war. Sure some americas though russia should be invaded after ww2 but there were some that actually educate themselfs before making decisions. not just get gun ho and start shooting everything up( if you cant tell im referring to Bush here).
Communism is a extreame for of socialism so they are and are not the same thing

[pimpnsince1987]

back on subject
i support Ernesto because he died for what he beleived in
he went out and saw the world for what it really is and then made his choice
he change the political scene of the 20th century
extreamely educated and outspoken
overthrough a corupt capatalist government and reaplaced one with law and order\

he didnt let anyone change his mind, he though for himself and spoke for himself and the good humanity

[matt-o]

your right on the communism stuff, but it will never happen in real life except in the situations i mantioned above. and no we were not buddies, we were allies against a common and greater enemy, and the land we gave to germany was never russia's it was germany first, russia went into world war 2 hoping to gain territory and to destroy germany, we were defending democracy. russia was a totalitarian state. therefore we were not allied with russia in the way you are stating, we just didnt fight russa because they didnt fight us at that time. and we definitly should have kept fighting the russians, then i doubt the chinese would have gone communist and all the political strife in south america wouldnt have happened, therefore stabilizong the entire world.

there we go
lock thread

[Albinonewt]

Che Guevara butchered half of my girl friend's family for no reason. Her grandfather was forced into the army as a veternarian for the calvary and her great Uncle was forced into the Army as a doctor. Neither fought in any way. They were killed in in front of their family's eyes simply for being forced into the Army. Her father watched his Uncles, cousins, and kids die in Cuba because of this "great man".

He was a murdering Communist thug. Not some great revolutionary. He was the scum of the earth and he can burn in hell for the rest of eternity. I only pray to God that the little Hot Topic scum bags that wear his image burn with him.

[Albinonewt]

another thing you cant compare nazis to communists
one nazis are violent people and communisnism in its pure form started by Karl Marx is a peaceful party.

Someone's forgetting that millions of Russians who lived under stalin and Communism greated the Nazi soldiers not as conquerers but as LIBERATORS!

Communism was so bad these people looked to Hitler for help!

[Athius]

Che Guevara butchered half of my girl friend's family for no reason. Her grandfather was forced into the army as a veternarian for the calvary and her great Uncle was forced into the Army as a doctor. Neither fought in any way. They were killed in in front of their family's eyes simply for being forced into the Army. Her father watched his Uncles, cousins, and kids die in Cuba because of this "great man".

He was a murdering Communist thug. Not some great revolutionary. He was the scum of the earth and he can burn in hell for the rest of eternity. I only pray to God that the little Hot Topic scum bags that wear his image burn with him.

Yeah right like George Washington never killed a colonist that didnt want to join the rebels when he was recruiting for the revolutionary war.

For a revolution be able to success blood must run even though it is innocent blood. For example the French revolution hundreds of people were decapitated because they didnt support the revolution. In revolutions whoever that doesnt support it must die.

That is were your famous North american quote can be use "Be free or die."

[cockerkiller68]

This thread is getting old and boring fast.


Thats all I'm gonna say anymore.

Unless my boys need backup!!

[Albinonewt]

Yeah right like George Washington never killed a colonist that didnt want to join the rebels when he was recruiting for the revolutionary war.

You think George Washington raped, tortured, and killed fathers in front of the eyes of their children? That's your theory? That's what you're coming with?

For a revolution be able to success blood must run even though it is innocent blood. For example the French revolution hundreds of people were decapitated because they didnt support the revolution. In revolutions whoever that doesnt support it must die.

There's a big difference between a kid that gets caught in the crossfire or collateral damage from a house exploding then when a communist thug rapes and kills in order to scare the populace into compliance. You're no better then the Nazi thugs that burned the Jews. You personally are the reason that murderers and thugs like Che can become cult icons. You're moral relativism is sickening and your cheerleading for Satan's foot soldiers makes me a believer in hell, because its the only place a person like you can go after the last gasp of villain worship escapes your pathetic lungs.

Do you honestly believe that every person that survived the American Revolution was a soldier for George Washington? That not a single torie was spared or survived? Revolution is not about killing every citizen that may hold a different opinion then you, but rather throwing off the yoke of an oppressor. Che's "revolution" was about substituting one Devil for another. He replaced one evil dictatorship for another. The people of Cuba even wanted Batista back once he was deposed. Much like the Russians cheering their Nazi liberators the people of Cuba realized that a Stalinist Communist strongman was going to destroy their way of life and subject to horrors that insignificant little appeasers like you can't even imagine. The evil that you support astounds me.

That is were your famous North american quote can be use "Be free or die."

And what freedom exactly did Che and his communist thugs provide the masses of Cuba?

The freedom to have your family perform a wire abortion on you so that your unborn child wouldn't make you too big to stuff yourself in a crate to escape?

The freedom to watch your parents murdered in front of you for vacinating horses?

The freedom to have your husband taken away in the night, held for six weeks, beaten half to death, dismembered, and then returned home only to be taken away again three more times?

The freedom to have your home taken away from you so a Russian Communist could have a new place to live while you and your children lived in the streets?

The freedom to flee your home country because after watching your family executed you knew that you and your children were next and the only way to save your child was to row to the U.S.?

The freedom to live in refugee camps without your parents for two years wondering if your an orphan or not?

That all happened to my girl friend's family. I know the people in the above stories. These people all know the horrors that you defend as noble and heroic. The stories out of Communist Cuba are no different then those out of Nazi Germany. Any person that defends the Cuban regime defends nothing better then the lowest form of scum to walk the earth. The people you defends are sent straight from hell to torture innocent people and pray on the stupidity of leftist sympathizers like you to defend them. Stalin referred to people like you as useful idiots. He knew that within in the left lived people of such depravity and such evil that they would defend his actions to their dying breath out of ignorance. Even Stalin knew what he did was evil and wrong but yet the leftist intelligencia defended him and today they defend Che and Castro.

If people like you don't burn in hell then the athiests are right and hell doesn't exist. Because a person that can defend Che Guevara and immortalize him as a revolutionary on par with George Washington belongs no where if he doesn't belong in hell.

You are a sad and pathetic person, and I pray your soul is shown no mercy. My girl friend's father escaped Cuba in nothing more sophisticated then a raft as a child while his family was tortured and killed by your heroes.

Burn in hell heretic.

[matt-o]

wow, nobody has debated that post i made?
and wow good job albinonewt i think ill let you handle the pro democracy side of the debate

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

And that is why I don't say stupid crap.

As to not get raped by the proverbial auger.

[pimpnsince1987]

Someone's forgetting that millions of Russians who lived under stalin and Communism greated the Nazi soldiers not as conquerers but as LIBERATORS!

Communism was so bad these people looked to Hitler for help!

as i said before the comunissium stalin praticed was not pure comminuism. the only pure communism is the communism written by Karl Marx
Marx never had a chance to set up a communist nation because he was killed

[matt-o]

it dosnt matter, a country needs leaders and those leaders will always push their own agenda. its human nature. and when the public disagrees with those ideas it will cause the people to revolt against the government therefore distroying the gov. and i know communism isnt supposed to have leaders but no nation can get along without leaders, otherwise peoples agandas conflict with eachother. the ironic thing is that most of the communisms (true perfect communism not this eastern commu-dictatorship) are right here in america with the amish and the hippie communes and such and they let their people go into the outside world if they so choose.

the communism that che pushed for would never have worked because it was pushed by a violent revolution with many innocent deaths, not by a peaceful one.

[Albinonewt]

as i said before the comunissium stalin praticed was not pure comminuism. the only pure communism is the communism written by Karl Marx
Marx never had a chance to set up a communist nation because he was killed

If communism is so much better then democracy then how come any opressed country full of half educated mountain dwellers can put together a functional democracy but not one single communist country has ever suceeded?

Not one.
Ever.

Communism doesn't work because it doesn't work. Not because the "pure" form isn't practiced, but because communism punishes individual accomplishment and rewards corruption. Nobody is going to fix that.

Communism is a failed social experiment. But those on the left keep insisting its because the "wrong" people are trying it.

[Athius]

You think George Washington raped, tortured, and killed fathers in front of the eyes of their children? That's your theory? That's what you're coming with?



There's a big difference between a kid that gets caught in the crossfire or collateral damage from a house exploding then when a communist thug rapes and kills in order to scare the populace into compliance. You're no better then the Nazi thugs that burned the Jews. You personally are the reason that murderers and thugs like Che can become cult icons. You're moral relativism is sickening and your cheerleading for Satan's foot soldiers makes me a believer in hell, because its the only place a person like you can go after the last gasp of villain worship escapes your pathetic lungs.

Do you honestly believe that every person that survived the American Revolution was a soldier for George Washington? That not a single torie was spared or survived? Revolution is not about killing every citizen that may hold a different opinion then you, but rather throwing off the yoke of an oppressor. Che's "revolution" was about substituting one Devil for another. He replaced one evil dictatorship for another. The people of Cuba even wanted Batista back once he was deposed. Much like the Russians cheering their Nazi liberators the people of Cuba realized that a Stalinist Communist strongman was going to destroy their way of life and subject to horrors that insignificant little appeasers like you can't even imagine. The evil that you support astounds me.



And what freedom exactly did Che and his communist thugs provide the masses of Cuba?

The freedom to have your family perform a wire abortion on you so that your unborn child wouldn't make you too big to stuff yourself in a crate to escape?

The freedom to watch your parents murdered in front of you for vacinating horses?

The freedom to have your husband taken away in the night, held for six weeks, beaten half to death, dismembered, and then returned home only to be taken away again three more times?

The freedom to have your home taken away from you so a Russian Communist could have a new place to live while you and your children lived in the streets?

The freedom to flee your home country because after watching your family executed you knew that you and your children were next and the only way to save your child was to row to the U.S.?

The freedom to live in refugee camps without your parents for two years wondering if your an orphan or not?

That all happened to my girl friend's family. I know the people in the above stories. These people all know the horrors that you defend as noble and heroic. The stories out of Communist Cuba are no different then those out of Nazi Germany. Any person that defends the Cuban regime defends nothing better then the lowest form of scum to walk the earth. The people you defends are sent straight from hell to torture innocent people and pray on the stupidity of leftist sympathizers like you to defend them. Stalin referred to people like you as useful idiots. He knew that within in the left lived people of such depravity and such evil that they would defend his actions to their dying breath out of ignorance. Even Stalin knew what he did was evil and wrong but yet the leftist intelligencia defended him and today they defend Che and Castro.

If people like you don't burn in hell then the athiests are right and hell doesn't exist. Because a person that can defend Che Guevara and immortalize him as a revolutionary on par with George Washington belongs no where if he doesn't belong in hell.

You are a sad and pathetic person, and I pray your soul is shown no mercy. My girl friend's father escaped Cuba in nothing more sophisticated then a raft as a child while his family was tortured and killed by your heroes.

Burn in hell heretic.

Man you are combining religion with history. And me being a heretic well i have always had that fame so im a byronic hero.

If Che was so evil why do many people in the world respect him? Why is he immortalized eventhough as you say he was evil?

I dont believe he was evil because i have heard his speeches and some interviews. And he just wanted that everyone should be equal and that Latin America be united. He wanted to stop United States imperialism because the US has always screwing around in Latin America supporting their dictators and such.

If u dont believe well in the 70's in Chile President Allende was the first socialist president chosen by his people legally. Then he nationalized Chile's economy and since before this the US were controling Chile's economy they didnt liked this. So they military supported Pinochet (one of the worst dictators in history) and Allende was assasinated.