New Driving age????

[Lohman446]

yes of course i am questioning the credibility of your argument, becuase what you base it off is just hearsay...unless you have hard,concrete, written evidence that has been proven, your words are meaningless..

I would point out that the evidence of 18 year olds having less crashes than 16 year olds does not lend strenght to a simple impulse control argument only. I would point out it lends credence to experience based ability.

[SpitFire1299]

An online poll cant prove much. How many Americans would like this? I think its retarted, and wont happen. We live in a democracy, and the government will see that parents wouldnt want to take a 16-17 to work everyday. If you pass the test and take the class and pass.. your mature enough to handle it i would say.

[Lohman446]

An online poll cant prove much. How many Americans would like this? I think its retarted, and wont happen. We live in a democracy, and the government will see that parents wouldnt want to take a 16-17 to work everyday. If you pass the test and take the class and pass.. your mature enough to handle it i would say.

Well I agree with you on the realities of this its sad in a way. I am not debating to raise the age, just making a point. Ask how many grieving parents, after there children were killed in a car accident, would have not gladly taken there kids to school and whatever, if they had known the consquences of not.

[slade]

yes of course i am questioning the credibility of your argument, becuase what you base it off is just hearsay...unless you have hard,concrete, written evidence that has been proven, your words are meaningless..

why dont we just hand out permits to anyone willing to learn, regardless of age? sound good slade? it will give them the "experience" they need, and will disprove the idea that age has something to do with being a good driver

come back when you learn something, then feel free to share it with the rest of us ok?

you keep contradicting yourself. i back up a comment i make, and you ignore what i said and call me an "****". then you say you never attacked me. then you attack my credibility. then you say you never attacked me. then you admit you are questioning my credibility. and what i am saying does have credibility to it. true i do not have a sheet listing statistics, but you dont either. what i do have is what a trained instructor has said to me repeatedly. and i might mention, during about half the classes he was being observed by a government offical evaluating him on his teaching job. i would consider that a credible source, much more so than an internet article. it doesnt have to be on a piece of paper to be true or credible. and considering you have yet to show me any "hard, concrete written evidence that has been proven" i will consider everything you have said so far meaningless, as that, aparently, is what you say should be done.

you may notice that i have never argued that we should "hand out permits to anyone willing to learn," i have simply argued against raising the driving age. and i have no problem with a 14 year old behind the wheel... as long as the child's parents aprove of it, are there in the passenger seat to teach them, the child has passed a learners permit test, gone through drivers ed, both classroom and on the road with an instructor. and after that, taken and passed a test with a state trooper analyzing their driving skill, caution, maturity, courtesy, etc. before they can be on the road alone. and then only under certain restrictions. there is a lot more than "passing out permits."

please come back when you can:

1) comprehend the argument of another
2) conduct yourself more maturely than the 16 year old you think doesnt deserve a liscence "because they are immature" (that would include not calling me a "****" after i defend my point of view)
3) not contradict yourself
4) hand me this "hard, concrete written evidence that has been proven" which you seem to keep in your back pocket and always refer to.
5) form a sound argument "Lack of experience, is why i agree with raising the age limit, in order that teens GAIN experience..." please, youre embarrassing yourself.

oh, and i forgot to share with everyone what i learned: people like you are ruining this forum.

[Xyxyll]

You're relying too much on one set of statistics. Newspapers commonly exagerate and bias their statistics. Not to mention how easy statistics are to twist and shape. You have no idea how unreliable most "statistics" are out there. I agree that NEW drivers are much more likely to be involved in crashes than experienced drivers (note I didn't say adult drivers), but raising the age limit is not going to make a significant-enough difference. Someone pointed out that this impulse-factor, which you were basing so much of your argument on, follows through the mid 20s. While I don't know that for a fact, it sure makes sense to me. Yes, immaturity plays a role, but both 16yr olds and 18yr olds are immature. Dropping someone in a car for the first time, whether 16 or 18, isn't going to make a huge difference. If anything, how do you know that at 18 a new driver will be a lot safer? Take the independence of a 18 year old and the new freedom of finally being able to drive and what do you get? You get a new driver that doesn't have Mommy and Daddy looking over them. And I take offense to you stereotyping our age-group by those few characters that "streetrace." I'm positive that is a VERY small % of our pop, and is also just as prevalent in YOUR pop as ours.

Nothing we say is going to change your mindset though. Might as well just stay away from me if you see me on the road... cause I'm a teenage driver.

[ascetic1]

1) Done, been done..i understand you point of view, yet you fail to understand mine
2) I never called you a ****, check back to the response that i wrote regarding that.
3) I asked YOU to show this concrete evidence, which regards to something other than what your driving teacher said that has to deal with 18 year olds, stating they are just as bad as 16 year olds
4) Yes, you raise the age limit in order to give teens experience prior with a permit


I think all of my previous posts have stated my opinion well, and clearly, so therefore i shall discontinue making any more well informed opinions on what i think. Plus Slade, you do not know me well enough to determine my character, or to tell me how i contribute/fail to contribute to these forums, thank you.