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  • NJPaint
    Pro Peace
    • Jan 2003
    • 2478

    #16
    I don't know why we don't have a gas tax. Make it about $4 a gallon. If Bush wants to do something constructive it should be that. It will make a nice connection with the eco/green side. I don't understand how people can complain about gas prices after they bought a car that isn't "fuel efficient" for their budget. Its part of the package, you buy a gas guzzler, alright by me, but you gotta pay for gas and shouldn't complain about it since you knew you would have to pay the gas prices already.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/op...friedman.html?

    By doing nothing to lower U.S. oil consumption, we are financing both sides in the war on terrorism and strengthening the worst governments in the world. That is, we are financing the U.S. military with our tax dollars and we are financing the jihadists - and the Saudi, Sudanese and Iranian mosques and charities that support them - through our gasoline purchases. The oil boom is also entrenching the autocrats in Russia and Venezuela, which is becoming Castro's Cuba with oil. By doing nothing to reduce U.S. oil consumption we are also setting up a global competition with China for energy resources, including right on our doorstep in Canada and Venezuela. Don't kid yourself: China's foreign policy today is very simple - holding on to Taiwan and looking for oil.

    Finally, by doing nothing to reduce U.S. oil consumption we are only hastening the climate change crisis, and the Bush officials who scoff at the science around this should hang their heads in shame. And it is only going to get worse the longer we do nothing. Wired magazine did an excellent piece in its April issue about hybrid cars, which get 40 to 50 miles to the gallon with very low emissions. One paragraph jumped out at me: "Right now, there are about 800 million cars in active use. By 2050, as cars become ubiquitous in China and India, it'll be 3.25 billion. That increase represents ... an almost unimaginable threat to our environment. Quadruple the cars means quadruple the carbon dioxide emissions - unless cleaner, less gas-hungry vehicles become the norm."

    All the elements of what I like to call a geo-green strategy are known:

    We need a gasoline tax that would keep pump prices fixed at $4 a gallon, even if crude oil prices go down. At $4 a gallon (premium gasoline averages about $6 a gallon in Europe), we could change the car-buying habits of a large segment of the U.S. public, which would make it profitable for the car companies to convert more of their fleets to hybrid or ethanol engines, which over time could sharply reduce our oil consumption.
    Rooster "But such is the mentallity of the Arab people. Which is why as long as there are Arabs, there will be a terrorist problem."
    ^^^ known AO racists


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    • Will Wood
      Evil Monkey
      • May 2002
      • 3475

      #17
      Wow, I'm glad (Well not really, but you get the idea..) I totaled my car and don't have to deal with these prices!

      ... *wishes he had a car.. Heck I'd pay double that in gas if I had a car..*

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      • noahyay
        Registered User
        • Aug 2004
        • 350

        #18
        in my opinion its these americans wanting their SUV's and huge silverados they dont even need

        i live in palo alto which is like the second most expensive place to live in the US so it bugs me when i see people driving hummers around and stuff even though they can afford it, or uptight at-home moms with escaldes and tahoes when they dont even go off roading, the only place they ever go is lake tahoe and u dont even need 4 weel drive there, let alone even 200 horsepower

        get a moped that gets 108 mpg or at least a station wagon that gets 25 mpg

        im all for a gas tax and minimum mpg limits but if they institute them then people will make a fuss
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        • devildog
          I hate my user name
          • Oct 2002
          • 1530

          #19
          you guys sound like a bunch of tree hugging hippies
          Zaszczycają waszą ojczyznę

          just got back from iraq!!!

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          • Wheelman
            Wickad Pissah!
            • Oct 2001
            • 1672

            #20
            I drive a Pathfinder because I need the space and I use the 4wd quite regularly because I live in Maine and it's almost a necessity in the winter so don't preach at me about not needing my suv Prices were around 2.25 for the cheap stuff the other day when I checked so I can imagine what it is now. What gets me is that it wouldn't be to bad exept that almost 40%of that cost is State Tax, and anther 20% for Fedral. And the state tax is going up again in july. God I so friggin' hate Maine, second highest taxed state and one of the lowest paid, why am I still here
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            • undescriptive
              Battered and Bruised
              • Apr 2004
              • 279

              #21
              try living in the UK

              need premium gas?

              that'll be just under $10 a gallon....

              standard unleaded - $8.50 a gallon....

              sucks to be british!

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              • CaptaiN_JacK
                will get you high tonight
                • Jan 2003
                • 947

                #22
                Originally posted by evildead420
                screw oil refineries, we need a new type of gas.
                ...and it's called Ethanol! Brought to you by your local (or not local) farmers of the US of A, and only the US of A.


                It's $2.00 avg. in southern MN, so I'm not complaining (too much).

                My advice to you: Stop driving! you live in san-fran-sisco for god's sake! ride a bike!

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                Freedom is slavery

                Ignorance is strength

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                • NJPaint
                  Pro Peace
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 2478

                  #23
                  Originally posted by devildog
                  you guys sound like a bunch of tree hugging hippies
                  You are calling a right wing Conservative a "tree hugging hippy" and you are calling Tom Freidman a "tree hugging hippy". You sir need to get your head out of the ground wake up. You don't have to be a hippy to want to not destroy the earth, last time I checked, you lived here too.

                  You want to buy an H2 or other SUV, I couldn't care less. But stop your whining when you have to pay for elevated gas prices. If you can't afford it, you shouldn't have bought it in the first place, Capitalism's a *****, deal with it or leave.
                  Rooster "But such is the mentallity of the Arab people. Which is why as long as there are Arabs, there will be a terrorist problem."
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                  • CaptaiN_JacK
                    will get you high tonight
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 947

                    #24
                    Originally posted by devildog
                    you guys sound like a bunch of realists

                    it's true!

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                    • Bear_Claw
                      Grease Monkey
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 399

                      #25
                      Last i checked Even my big old diesel is more enviro friendly than most gassers. Now if Bio Diesel were affordable here (its around $0.20/liter more) id run that and it end up being better for the enviroment than a blody honda civic.

                      So dont tell me not to complain about fuel because i drive what it do. I do give a hoot out the earth but if i we cant afford to live what the hell good is it.

                      I aint some overpaid desk joky that can afford the new thec fancy cars. im the bread and butter line busting my butt to fix em. Forgive me if i offend you for being upset that i no longer can afford to drive the vehical i have saved for since i was 13.


                      And what the (*&^(* you want to tax fuel for are you soo green eyed to relize that the more it costs for fuel the more it costs for EVERY THING. Remeber this saying "EVERYTHING YOU BOUGHT A TRUCK BROUGHT" and the truck needs fuel. Trucks dont run for free so they have to make a few $$ in order to do that they must charger more than the costs of fuel maintanece and living. Fuel IS the LARGEST cost to a trucker increasing that makes more cost for the good you want.

                      You want to have a REALISTIC way to help the enviroment push for more diesel vehicals and BIO DIESEL fuel. Heck europs WAY ahead in that regards.



                      END RANT
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                      • PyRo
                        President Bioloaf inc.
                        • Dec 2000
                        • 10186

                        #26
                        Buying a bike is becomming a more viable option now

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                        • evildead420
                          Registered User
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 846

                          #27
                          don't understand how people can complain about gas prices after they bought a car that isn't "fuel efficient" for their budget. Its part of the package, you buy a gas guzzler, alright by me, but you gotta pay for gas and shouldn't complain about it since you knew you would have to pay the gas prices already.
                          well, when i bought my truck, new, they give you an annual gas usage on the big sticker on the window and it said my annual gate usage would be 1300+ a year, not so bad, im going double or more now.

                          My advice to you: Stop driving! you live in san-fran-sisco for god's sake! ride a bike!
                          its not so easy. i live south of the city, my work is about 50 miles one way. and for my job/title (senior video editor & sound supervisor), they really need me, so riding a bike 50 miles away and 50 miles back would be crazy and lame and not workable.


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                          • Glickman
                            *Insert Witty Phrase*
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 2673

                            #28
                            2.80 per gallon
                            4 mpg

                            we boaters aint got it easy either.

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                            • Spencer
                              Registered User
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 292

                              #29
                              I think its about 2.10 here.. I am looking into a truck now and the only thing I WANT is a V-8 F-150 35" tires and a 7" lift it should be around 12 mpg.

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                              • mcveighr
                                Registered User
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 861

                                #30
                                I drive a Pathfinder because I need the space and I use the 4wd quite regularly because I live in Maine and it's almost a necessity in the winter so don't preach at me about not needing my suv
                                hahaha, i drive pretty well everyday and used 4wd twice this winter, in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia.

                                My truck pulls trailers and heavy loads, so i figure its justified. Its about time to take out the Yamaha though.


                                I completly agree on the dont need large vehicles dont buy large vehicles idea. And am in favour of gas taxes and biodiesel.

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