We Have A Pope!

[Jakedubbleya]

we have a pope!

(story developing)

[Flow_Tech]

GREAT!..damnit..AO doesnt have a dodgy smiley.

[mcveighr]

Joseph Ratzinger?

Benedict the XVI

[TheTramp]

[Jakedubbleya]

if he alienates them they arent catholics, catholicism isnt conservative, its catholicism, theres a dogma that you follow or dont follow.

period.

revealing god isnt about forming him to your ego its about revealing who god is. like he changed because our generation NOW thinks its ok to have permiscuous sex.

if you want to pick and choose what you want to believe, there are a hell of a lot (what is it around 20 thousand now?) of protestant churches out there that do just that.

edit: oh yeah, and hoorah for Benedict the XVI!

[Lohman446]

if he alienates them they arent catholics, catholicism isnt conservative, its catholicism, theres a dogma that you follow or dont follow.

period.

revealing god isnt about forming him to your ego its about revealing who god is. like he changed because our generation NOW thinks its ok to have permiscuous sex.

if you want to pick and choose what you want to believe, there are a hell of a lot (what is it around 20 thousand now?) of protestant churches out there that do just that.

edit: oh yeah, and hoorah for Benedict the XVI!

Yeh.. we shouldn't pick and choose how we do things... like Latin mass for instance

Edit... Im going to try to keep this from being a religious discussion and turn it to a "man" discussion. Things evolve, some things slower than other, but overtime, anything that man has a hand in seems to evolve, this would of course include the Catholic church and its beleifs.

[TheTramp]

if he alienates them they arent catholics, catholicism isnt conservative, its catholicism, theres a dogma that you follow or dont follow.

Wow. Welcome to the real world. I don't think you're going to enjoy it.

[Jakedubbleya]

theology and sanity,
father frank j. sheed

read it, then tell me about the real world of catholicism.

Lohman, please read this article.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Can_Dogma_Develop.asp

[bubbleman441]

All along as I was watching TV I told my mom "Hey I betcha this guy was an ex Nazi and this is his plane for world domination." Turns out when they were giving his background info they said he was in Hitlers Youth. Lol, I laughed so hard!

[Steelrat]

I'm still trying to figure out why anyone but Catholics care.

[Creative Mayhem]

I'm still trying to figure out why anyone but Catholics care.

While it is true that the Pope is a Catholic position, the Catholic church does have major influences in almost all facets of religion. Whether other religions agree or not, they are affect in some way, shape or form.

[lopxtc]

Because the Catholic church has allot of pull / power in the World that goes outside of their own doors.

Aaron

I'm still trying to figure out why anyone but Catholics care.

[MedicDVG]

if he alienates them they arent catholics, catholicism isnt conservative, its catholicism, theres a dogma that you follow or dont follow.

period.

revealing god isnt about forming him to your ego its about revealing who god is. like he changed because our generation NOW thinks its ok to have permiscuous sex.

if you want to pick and choose what you want to believe, there are a hell of a lot (what is it around 20 thousand now?) of protestant churches out there that do just that.

edit: oh yeah, and hoorah for Benedict the XVI!

What an interesting notion. So you support his view on the role of women in the church? You support his mantra of "Pray, pay, obey?"

I am sorry, but I most vehemently disagree with many of the things Ratzinger stands for. 1 - he believes the American Catholic church needs to be "brought into line." I didn't realize that we were out of line in the first place. 2 - He doesn't support women being involved in the mass -- other then that of the sworn nunnery. 3 - He doesn't even want to invesitgate nor even talk about the role of Homosexuals as parents, and God forbid they want to serve as members of the church. Gimme a break. This guy makes Fallwell look liberal.

Ultra conservatism will kill the church quicker then anything. You evolve or you die. The election of Bennedict XVI is not evolution.

It would not surprise me to see the "American" Catholic Church and the "Roman" Catholic Church part ways in the next few years....

[Steelrat]

Because the Catholic church has allot of pull / power in the World that goes outside of their own doors.

Aaron

Well, I would argue that the election of British Prime Minister or Russian President is far more important in terms of world politics, but you never see this kind of attention lavished on those events.

And frankly, I think the importance of the Catholic Church in affecting world events is greatly exaggerated.

[Jakedubbleya]

What an interesting notion. So you support his view on the role of women in the church? You support his mantra of "Pray, pay, obey?"

I am sorry, but I most vehemently disagree with many of the things Ratzinger stands for. 1 - he believes the American Catholic church needs to be "brought into line." I didn't realize that we were out of line in the first place. 2 - He doesn't support women being involved in the mass -- other then that of the sworn nunnery. 3 - He doesn't even want to invesitgate nor even talk about the role of Homosexuals as parents, and God forbid they want to serve as members of the church. Gimme a break. This guy makes Fallwell look liberal.

Ultra conservatism will kill the church quicker then anything. You evolve or you die. The election of Bennedict XVI is not evolution.

It would not surprise me to see the "American" Catholic Church and the "Roman" Catholic Church part ways in the next few years....
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Pope John Paul II made an infallible statement (please all of you flamers look up the infallibility of the pope and its limitations and boundaries before responding to this) regarding women becoming priests.

To ignore this would be to ignore all of catholicism, sorry but thats a dead issue.

the pray pay and obey view is and always has been the view of the church, its the nature of catholicism, sorry, american catholics who believe otherwise are entertaining false hope.

you should also read the article i told lohman to read, it is endorsed by ACTUAL catholic theologians, you know, the kind they dont let on CNN:

http://www.catholic.com/library/Can_Dogma_Develop.asp

I never said i believed any of it, just saying how it is.

No, believe it or not there are MANY "roman catholics" in america. If the "american catholics" split off they would no longer be catholics, just protestant religion #20001. one of the basis of catholicism is the lineage of the popes and the unified church.