Gas Raped

[Lohman446]

So his SLIGHT leniency to religions, basically because he wasnt religious himself, excuses the stuff he did?

Id have-to say HELL NO to that one. bad example bro.

No... I did not say it excused what he did. If we took him out because of his actions that fine. If we took him out to protect ourselves from fundamental terrorists (as was claimed) than we made an error. Historically his discouragement (or lack of encouragement) of fundamentalism, even though he may have hated us, may have been as beneficial in the prevention of terrorist attacks as anything we have done. I say may because I do nto have the intellgence information to make a decision on this. I don't like radical views to either side that ignore anything that may not support them.

Did his actions, etc. excuse his other actions? No... But lets be realistic about why we have done what we have, and how we may have been wrong.

[Jakedubbleya]

No... I did not say it excused what he did. If we took him out because of his actions that fine. If we took him out to protect ourselves from fundamental terrorists (as was claimed) than we made an error. Historically his discouragement (or lack of encouragement) of fundamentalism, even though he may have hated us, may have been as beneficial in the prevention of terrorist attacks as anything we have done. I say may because I do nto have the intellgence information to make a decision on this. I don't like radical views to either side that ignore anything that may not support them.

Did his actions, etc. excuse his other actions? No... But lets be realistic about why we have done what we have, and how we may have been wrong.

My view has been: our intentions were a bit misguided. The result was rather pleasing.
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But saddam had absolutely no saving graces man.

His slight lack of encouragement of fundamentalism would not have fruited the way we had him chained up...

I agree with you that evil results in greater good much of the time, but like i said, saddamn is a bad example of it.

[Lohman446]

My view has been: our intentions were a bit misguided. The result was rather pleasing.
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But saddam had absolutely no saving graces man.

His slight lack of encouragement of fundamentalism would not have fruited the way we had him chained up...

I agree with you that evil results in greater good much of the time, but like i said, saddamn is a bad example of it.

He is an extreme example of it... Don't beleive that I am excusing what he did, I'm just pointing out that not everything was of no value.

[Jakedubbleya]

He is an extreme example of it... Don't beleive that I am excusing what he did, I'm just pointing out that not everything was of no value.

Sorry, i was mistaken then

thats just the drift i got from the way you patronized him.

[Wheelman]

Don't have the ambition to read the whole thread, I'll do it later. I remember about 5 or 6 years ago I was working out on one of the islands and thier one gas station it was like 1.65/gal. I was like holy batman, I'll be damned if I ever pay that much for gas. I'd kill to pay that much for gas now

[txaggie08]

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employment went up with clinton and down with bush. im sorry to hear about your isolated incident but people lose jobs when stuff closes, just the way things work.

im glad most of the gulf coast of texas is an isolaed incedent, since its an are larger than most of the states in the union

[txaggie08]

I'm confused... what do you mean? Your first and second paragraphs seem to be insupportive of each other. I acknowledged those heinous crimes - reread what I wrote. I also acknowledged the reality of fundamentalism and the Iraqi government (under Saddam) religious tolerance - not great tolerance, but better than others like say Saudi.

Come one people.. evil people sometimes do things that are beneficial, that could be called good just as overall "good" people commit evil acts from time to time (or may). Lets not get so caught up in one side and agenda that we ignore reality and historical truths.

ah excuse me i hadnt slept i misread did for did not

[SlartyBartFast]

My beast. One 15 gallon tank, One 17gallon.
Cost me 80 bucks in diesel the other day.
20 bucks gets me 1/2 a tank.
Brent.

Wow. Didn't this thread get all political.

Back to something less political:

Why don't you convert to a dual-fuel system and start burning used and/or new cooking oil?

You already have two tanks installed, a conversion kit with a tank heater and you'd be good to go. A co-worker runs his Mercedes diesel wagon on used oil and it's saving him a small fortune.

All you have to do is start using dino-diesel, switch to oil when the oil and engine are warm, then switch back to dino-diesel before shutting the engine off.

All you need is a single good fry restaurant in your area who'll let you take their oil for free instead of having to pay a disposal company. :)

[Jakedubbleya]

im glad most of the gulf coast of texas is an isolaed incedent, since its an are larger than most of the states in the union

thousands vs. millions

[warpspyder]

right thats why hussein was paying reward money to familys of suicide bombers, and was purchasing labratory equipment used in the refinement of uranium 235- U238

How current is your information? Proof??

[warpspyder]

My view has been: our intentions were a bit misguided. The result was rather pleasing.
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But saddam had absolutely no saving graces man.

His slight lack of encouragement of fundamentalism would not have fruited the way we had him chained up...

I agree with you that evil results in greater good much of the time, but like i said, saddamn is a bad example of it.

I hope you didn't mean the results were rather pleasing. If so let's do a test, how would you feel if I told you I was going to take some of your family members for a few months, then kept them for over a year then killed or perhaps only wounded them? No you wouldn't like that. The RESULT may have been pleasing but the way we achieved that result was repulsive. I do agree that Saddam had to go, and had really nothing to offer the world, but come on. Guys Clinton lost 11 men on a raid in Mogadishu, and Bush has lost how many in Iraq? Clinton lost just shy of a dozen and people went wild, calling for resignations, and an immediate withdrawal from Somalia. I see some people who are looking at things from a strange view point. As I said in an earlier post I don't like politicians, or politics for that matter, but it just seems that right winged thinkers seem to see themselves as the all knowing powers who never make a mistake.

[Jakedubbleya]

i meant what i said.

please read the whole thread.

now i am tired and im going to bed.

[Lohman446]

I hope you didn't mean the results were rather pleasing. If so let's do a test, how would you feel if I told you I was going to take some of your family members for a few months, then kept them for over a year then killed or perhaps only wounded them? No you wouldn't like that. The RESULT may have been pleasing but the way we achieved that result was repulsive. I do agree that Saddam had to go, and had really nothing to offer the world, but come on. Guys Clinton lost 11 men on a raid in Mogadishu, and Bush has lost how many in Iraq? Clinton lost just shy of a dozen and people went wild, calling for resignations, and an immediate withdrawal from Somalia. I see some people who are looking at things from a strange view point. As I said in an earlier post I don't like politicians, or politics for that matter, but it just seems that right winged thinkers seem to see themselves as the all knowing powers who never make a mistake.

The complaint most people had about that incident is we lost 11 guys and then withdrew. We did not care about what we were trying to do enough to accomplish the goal we had set out. There lives were wasted because we did not carry through.

[warpspyder]

The complaint most people had about that incident is we lost 11 guys and then withdrew. We did not care about what we were trying to do enough to accomplish the goal we had set out. There lives were wasted because we did not carry through.

You are partially right in thinking that. Many EDUCATED (when i say educated i mean people who understand what was behind the missions) knew that the ultimate failure in that area was to pull out before we had accomplished our goals. However to a person the american people wanted an immediate withdrawal from the area (if I had the book here i'd give some references pages). I do agree in the sense that we should have stayed, done the deed THEN pulled out. Also people/politicians were trying to decrease the military presence in that area of the world. They had axed requests for bradley armored vehicles and the AC-130 gunship (of course how helpfule the spectre would have proven in the urban environment is a large question and the helocopters did an adequate job). Now I'm off on a tangent again. Maybe I should just impose a self ban for this thread.

[awilli234life]

gas

My 75 cent gas here in canada is being considered expensive (of course, not measured the same)

how is it mesured by litres or decileiters somthing like that
p.s what is the exchange rate rt now?