Should Marijuana be legalized for medical purposes/recreation?

[Lohman446]

in essence, Id rather they be HOME and SAFE. christ, when did IRAQ ever have plans to invade the US??????.

There is a major difference in supporting the war, or not, and accusing our troops of atrocities.

BTW - LOVE the new sticky-ed thread here on good old AO - WOW - didnt know war could be so fun!!!When are pics of dead Iraqi children gonna be put up?

[NoForts4Me]

Marijuana, as any drug (alcohol and tobacco included) has its list of side effects. Short term memory loss, obesity (diue to munchies, HAH!), lung cancer, etc.. It is up to the individual user to accept the consequences of their actions. I am hurting noone but myself, so why should you, or anyone else care? Why should I be labeled a criminal for smoking a bowl in the privacy of my own home? It's no different from sitting down and having a few beers while you watch TV.

Alcohol, the only legal hustle.

So by this logic, where do we stop? Should we legalize meth, cocaine, LSD? If these aren't going to be controlled substances, then you can pretty much throw out prescription medications as well, and cut out the middle man (the doctor) and just let Pharmacies give out what people want when they want it. Some of the side effects of prescribed medications aren't any worse than illicit drugs, so let's give them out like candy.

If THC is (or has been) proven to have medicinal uses in a pharmaceutical, controlled form, like any other prescription medication, I don't have a problem with it. I've already stated I don't like the way the sentencing laws are setup (for more reasons than just weed). But I think we have a slippery slope argument any time we talk about legalizing for recreation purposes. And as far as alcohol is concerned, the cat is already out of the bag, so it ain't going back in. That doesn't mean we should just let everything else go because of that (at least in my opinion).

There is a major difference in supporting the war, or not, and accusing our troops of atrocities.

QFT. I'm done with that topic on this thread.

[LudavicoSoldier]

Marijuana is NOWHERE NEAR lsd, coke, or meth. Making an argument for legalizing a plant that grows naturally, and is used in the same form, is in no way making an arguement for hard drugs that need to be manufactured.

[NoForts4Me]

Marijuana is NOWHERE NEAR lsd, coke, or meth. Making an argument for legalizing a plant that grows naturally, and is used in the same form, is in no way making an arguement for hard drugs that need to be manufactured.

I didn't say it was, I just said where do we stop? There are many who think ALL drugs should be legalized. If you follow the argument that "what we do in our own home is our business, as long as we are only hurting ourselves" then you have to open that to all drugs, or do you not? So any drug that is "on par" with marijuana should be legal? Prescription or otherwise?

[Lohman446]

I didn't say it was, I just said where do we stop? There are many who think ALL drugs should be legalized. If you follow the argument that "what we do in our own home is our business, as long as we are only hurting ourselves" then you have to open that to all drugs, or do you not? So any drug that is "on par" with marijuana should be legal? Prescription or otherwise?

Yep... ethical hedonism and a strict constitutional libertarian view holds just that. Though sometimes you loose part of the argument on the state level as for as constiutional is concerned.

[drg]

There is a major difference in supporting the war, or not, and accusing our troops of atrocities.

Please. Simply referencing dead Iraqi children is not "accusing our troops of atrocities." It happens, it may not be on purpose, but they're dead just the same. I'm pretty sure the TONE of that post (especially its title) is at issue here, and to a certain extent I agree.

[kramer]

Please. Simply referencing dead Iraqi children is not "accusing our troops of atrocities." It happens, it may not be on purpose, but they're dead just the same. I'm pretty sure the TONE of that post (especially its title) is at issue here, and to a certain extent I agree.

^^^^-----------exactly - thank you for picking that up.

I just find it sickening that the biggest haters of smoking a naturally growing plant or that are the most easily offended whenever anything negative towards christianity is mentioned, are also the most gung-ho for war (and one of the mods here actually had a sig that claimed "Ive been killing islamic [expletive] before it was cool to kill islamic [expletive]" - and actually had the nerve to close a board that was ridiculing a born-again christian comic- saying "you all should open your brains more" or something like that.


so yeah, the tone of AO in general is becoming super hawkish-militant - is that where automags.com is going???

[bofh]

so yeah, the tone of AO in general is becoming super hawkish-militant - is that where automags.com is going???

I don't know about automags.com... but Automags.ORG seems to be heading that way.

[SCpoloRicker]

I don't know about automags.com... but Automags.ORG seems to be heading that way.

Don't feed him.

[Lohman446]

^^^^-----------exactly - thank you for picking that up.

I just find it sickening that the biggest haters of smoking a naturally growing plant or that are the most easily offended whenever anything negative towards christianity is mentioned, are also the most gung-ho for war (and one of the mods here actually had a sig that claimed "Ive been killing islamic [expletive] before it was cool to kill islamic [expletive]" - and actually had the nerve to close a board that was ridiculing a born-again christian comic- saying "you all should open your brains more" or something like that.


so yeah, the tone of AO in general is becoming super hawkish-militant - is that where automags.com is going???

Nice generalazition (self-edit). Lets see here about that generalization towards me
1) I am one of the biggest haters of a naturally growing plant.
Did you read this thread? Show me where I supported the war on drugs in it. Is it stupid to inhale a mind altering substance and think it has no side effects? In my opinion very much so. Do I care what you do in the privacy of your home? No. Do I beleive the federal government has the right to legislate against any drug? No. Read the thread

2) Most easily offended whenever anything negative towards christianity is mentioned?
You apparently have no clue about me.

3) Most gung-ho for war?
I see... did I ever say I supported the war recently? Have I questioned the historic outlook that would think any occupying power could change the middle east?

And this

BTW - LOVE the new sticky-ed thread here on good old AO - WOW - didnt know war could be so fun!!!When are pics of dead Iraqi children gonna be put up?


man this board is going to hell.

Was insulting to those honored by stickied thread, and insulting to the board in general. I would further classify it as trolling... Spending time in Iraq may have its high points, and its lows. Its human nature to try to have some sense of "fun" if you want to use the word whenever possible. You're knee jerk "talking point" comment does not impress most of us here. It may sound good to your friends... but to those of use who respect the soldiers who are there, who do there duty as is asked of them, right or wrong, who risk there lives... who have volunteered to defend our freedoms.. (pause.. read closely here, nowhere did I say that the war in Iraq is doing anything for our freedom, different discussion) it was a comment of ignorance, of trying to paint a bleak picture. Do things happen in war? Yeh.. they do... but we don't need inflamatory remarks to remind us of them, many of us know it.

[drg]

I respect our soldiers a lot, and that's exactly why I hate to see the questionable tone embodied by certain threads. Our troops don't need that kind of stigma attached to them, of religious intolerance, ignorance and bloodlust. I would rather they are viewed as professionals doing a job, albeit a dirty job. Pandering to the baser instincts only lowers them in the eyes of the world which can have a direct effect on the dangers they face. A hated enemy is easier to recruit against.

[Jakedubbleya]

yeah - its alot better to drink some beers and shoot people right?


BTW - LOVE the new sticky-ed thread here on good old AO - WOW - didnt know war could be so fun!!!When are pics of dead Iraqi children gonna be put up?




man this board is going to hell.

war is war, all we can do is be proud of what our service men have accomplished and sacrificed and hope that things all turn out for the better. Threads like that do that.

And I swear, the only thing you guys can come up with is how alchohol is soo much worse than weed and how since its legal weed should be legal too.

so whats the deal? you dont drink? you find alchohol to be too violent for you?

I tell you what man, i know alchoholics and i know pot heads. Some alchoholics are violent, some are jerks. But MOST, are closet drinkers that just need help. And is alchohol really more dangerous than weed in day to day life? Its easy to detect if somebody is drunk, very hard to detect if somebody is high. I do a little work at mines and such, and i tell you what man, its not the fierce drunks with bad attitudes that scare us, its the stoners that just daze off.

Pot heads feel justified, like they are expressing their freedom and doing the world a favor by destroying their minds and sucking at life day in and day out. Sure theres also the pot head that wants to quit but cant, i know about two or three of this kind personally, very well. They are psycologically addicted, they cant make it through the day without it, they cant handle their bosses or familys without toking up first.

My beef with weed is how much it has changed my friends. They are stupid, and its that simple, they have smoked themselves slow for no reason other than a temporary UNSOCIAL, UNPRODUCTIVE high. Legalizing weed would be like saying its alright to destroy your mind for recreation. Mental suicide.

People eat fatty food, people work 20 hour days and dont sleep, people catch the flu. These things are comparable to drinking alchohol and smoking. But at the heart of things, people dont lose the most important thing, their minds. When you smoke weed, u slow ur brain down, its been proven that thc or whatever stays around and messes u up, thats why it shows up in drug tests so long.

I dont give a **** about the politics. I just know that weed gets abused too much and the prices are too high. I couldnt live in a world where the 5th graders that used to be smoking cigarettes are now smoking their parents legalized pot.

its a stupid topic with no real argument. go put your pride into something besides your bong size.

Oh, and i love the generalizations, because god knows, if somebody with a little knowledge and respect for christianity and its history and philosophies says something, then hes wrong every time.

And somebody with concerns for the freedom of people in more than just his country, what you would call a "red neck war mongerer" must be wrong too.

well hell, two negativies make a positive and i guess that means im right *****.

[LudavicoSoldier]

So you are saying that the smoking of a joint instead of comperable forms of relaxiation, after a 13 hour work day, makes me a wasteoid? I beg to differ. Generalizations are being thrown out on both sides of the arguement. All Marijuana smokers cannot be lumped into the "stupid stoner" bracket. It simply does not work.

[SCpoloRicker]

Seriously guys, don't feed him.

[Jakedubbleya]

So you are saying that the smoking of a joint instead of comperable forms of relaxiation, after a 13 hour work day, makes me a wasteoid? I beg to differ. Generalizations are being thrown out on both sides of the arguement. All Marijuana smokers cannot be lumped into the "stupid stoner" bracket. It simply does not work.

Your average non-smoker doesnt go home and get drunk after work, a few beers for the flavor maby but getting drunk every time they put in extra hours would be a bit extreme wouldnt you say?

On the other hand, ive never heard of somebody smokin without the intention of gettin high, but maby im just sheltered.

Anyway, my point is and was, that there is nothing wrong with smoking out every once in a while (when comparing it to getting drunk). But when you make it legal you make it habitual, people will use it as you said, to chill after a hard days work so on and so forth. But instead of bustin their livers their bustin their brains.

Doing it after work on your own time doesnt make you a wasteoid, it just makes you that much slower, and that much more helpfull on your kids math homework in ten years.