Should Marijuana be legalized for medical purposes/recreation?

[Eric Of Extreme Measures]

http://www.world-science.net/exclusives/exclusives-nfrm/040818_cannabis.htm

Or you just go and take a scan of yours, im sure it would be pretty?

Mine wouldnt be normal, im sure!

There is a link to Yale on this page. it is the link to world science.

Yale annuls is here and all questons can be answered.

I have some phone numbers too, they are hotlines, but they have some awesome facts.

There are some other physical publications too, i can mail them to you all. But this would consist of to much time, Bettyford.com can help, SCADD in CT can assist, and the STONINGTON institute of America has many answers as well.

Dr. James Connelly, Phd, MD, in CT- I have his number, ha can assist you with all your questions, he is published im sure taking new patients?

Im really out?

[Eric Of Extreme Measures]

Oh yeah, then theres the MILLIONS, and i mean MILLIONS of dead due to the drug, that im sure would love to come back and tell you to all just say no?

[Jakedubbleya]

Oh yeah, then theres the MILLIONS, and i mean MILLIONS of dead due to the drug, that im sure would love to come back and tell you to all just say no?

wait, we're talking about weed right?

explainage please

[Eric Of Extreme Measures]

sure, how many have said i drive better, work better, act better with weed. and how many have committed suicide with weed thinking they were RELAXING, when they were really just digging then in a more manic depressive state. Alcohol and pot are both depressive agents. they are stimulants that dull the cerebral stems for a short high that gives a false sense of happiness then causes and hard crash of depression and pain when you come off. thats why people become addicted, they fear the comming down. they dont want the pain. they attempt to stay high more and more.

Chasing the high/happiness.

[Jakedubbleya]

but MILLIONS dude? as a direct result?

[Eric Of Extreme Measures]

hey for the guys that are just lighting up in their homes out of sight, out of mind. good for you. but when the public starts to rant and rave about it being legal when we cant even keep kids off alcohol, well thats just stupid. kids have enough problems. and we as adults are dumb as it is to protect them from stuff, now you want to pot out there for them to get legally. come one people, this sounds like george bush speaking.

Keep doing what you are doing, keep it to your selves, keep it quiet, go home and have fun. wooppee

Dont drive stoned and kill me

Dont get stoned get depressed and jump out your window and land on me

dont go to work stoned at the nuclear power plant and blow me up

Dont sell it to kids, dont buy it from people that do.

be smart. know the facts.

[Eric Cartman]

Context. I was disputing his comment about my "being sheltered". Nothing else. And by work with i meant they are my fellow employees and good friends.

On the other hand, ive never heard of somebody smokin without the intention of gettin high, but maby im just sheltered.

You're the one who brought up being sheltered. Since the statement you made was representative of limited exposure to regular moderate users, it was a good assumption to agree that you were sheltered. Since you feel that you have a good deal of experience, then it was a rather silly thing for you to say in the first place. And I'm sloppy? Yeah.

About the same amount? Use of merijuana has been shown to cause significantly more memory loss and well "motivation" loss than alchohol. In fact in adults, it takes frequent abuses of alchohol to cause ANY real brain damage.

This is really all subjective since we're not dealing with any set amounts here. How much marijuana and how frequently, how much alcohol, and with what frequency? Until that's determined it's all open to speculation.

Id have to disagree with you on that one. Done them both. Its pretty obvious.

For you perhaps, my experiences and the experiences of many others I know differ vastly from yours.

As a former member of the world of weed, yes. And I dont see how weed could possibly become more expensive than it currently is by making it legal... ooooh conspiracy theory! lol!

Conspiracy theory? Where's that coming from? I can't tell you about where you live, but in the Toronto area, an eighth of an ounce (half quarter) sells for about $35 to $40. Obviously the price goes down if you "buy in bulk". A pack of 25 cigarettes is nearly $10. A 26 ounce bottle of whiskey is about $30. If marijuana was legalized and taxed here, I could easily see the price for a half quarter hitting $50 to $60 in no time flat. People are going to pay it too, just to not have to deal with the hassles of purchasing something of dubious quality from sources you don't know / can't trust. Sheer laziness would also be a factor. The ability to make damn good quality beer in your home, for a fraction of the price of buying it, is widely available and yet it's not making any noticeable difference to the sales of the breweries.

Oh no! Hypocracy!

Yes blatant hypocrisy. It's nothing to be proud of.

Now with 12 years of reg. POT use, no other drug use noted.

I'd be interested in the definition of "reg. POT use" How much, how frequently? Then I'd like to see a scan of a brain with 12 years of the equivalent alcohol use just so we can compare apples to apples.

[Will Wood]

First of all.
It's a loosing arguement to defend the illegal activitiy in my opinion. But I'm just trying to post this as an unbiased statement.

Eric - you posted a image of a brain after 12 years of pot smoking.
IMO - That's stupid. Regular smoking is bad. So is drinking, and smoking cigarrettes.

I'm not defending regular use of Ciggarettes, Alcohol, or pot. That is stupid.
I like all three of these, but in a casual manner.

All three will damage you in some way after 12 years of regular use.
Liver damage, Lung cancer, brain damage.


Once in a while - it is not a bad thing.
I'll smoke a ciggarete with my freinds once in a while.
I'll drink once or twice a week.
I'll smoke a bowl once or twice a week.

I'll never become a regular user - because it's obvious it's not good to do so. And once in a while, while it can't be considered good for you, isn't bad IMO.


As long as you don't do anything stupid, there's nothing wrong with doing weed in my opinion. There's the obvious debate there's better things to do, but I honestly can say it's my opinion it's not bad in small quanities.

[Eric Cartman]

sure, how many have said i drive better, work better, act better with weed. and how many have committed suicide with weed thinking they were RELAXING, when they were really just digging then in a more manic depressive state. Alcohol and pot are both depressive agents. they are stimulants that dull the cerebral stems for a short high that gives a false sense of happiness then causes and hard crash of depression and pain when you come off. thats why people become addicted, they fear the comming down. they dont want the pain. they attempt to stay high more and more.

Chasing the high/happiness.

*cough*darwin*cough*

[InfinatyBPS]

Ok, to those of you saying pot is going to make you kill yourself you must be on drugs. Because I have had some bad depression before and for a while I would drink everyday and the next day I would be in tears all day, becuase everything felt so much worse and I would just want to die. If I would smoke weed, I'd be high and the next day just feel fine, next day after that, fine... So how are you gonna tell me that pot will depress you in the same way alcohol will? Until you have depression and go drink a 40oz or 2 of beer then tell me the next day you feel better than how you'd feel the next day if you'd have smoked a blunt, stop talking.

[Jakedubbleya]

You're the one who brought up being sheltered. Since the statement you made was representative of limited exposure to regular moderate users, it was a good assumption to agree that you were sheltered. Since you feel that you have a good deal of experience, then it was a rather silly thing for you to say in the first place. And I'm sloppy? Yeah.

My comment was sarcastic, although it would have been appropriate for him to ask what my experience was, he instead used my sarcasm against me. I then answered that indeed i did have experience with this sort of thing and that was the end of it. You then took it out of context. Simple as that, i swear.

This is really all subjective since we're not dealing with any set amounts here. How much marijuana and how frequently, how much alcohol, and with what frequency? Until that's determined it's all open to speculation.

Assuming that the scientists who did these comparisons arent biased morons, i think not.

For you perhaps, my experiences and the experiences of many others I know differ vastly from yours.

dido

Conspiracy theory? Where's that coming from? I can't tell you about where you live, but in the Toronto area, an eighth of an ounce (half quarter) sells for about $35 to $40. Obviously the price goes down if you "buy in bulk". A pack of 25 cigarettes is nearly $10. A 26 ounce bottle of whiskey is about $30. If marijuana was legalized and taxed here, I could easily see the price for a half quarter hitting $50 to $60 in no time flat. People are going to pay it too, just to not have to deal with the hassles of purchasing something of dubious quality from sources you don't know / can't trust. Sheer laziness would also be a factor. The ability to make damn good quality beer in your home, for a fraction of the price of buying it, is widely available and yet it's not making any noticeable difference to the sales of the breweries.

maby a pack of gauloises cigarettes, but where im from id put a standard pack at around four-five bucks.

an eighth arouind here goes from 20-60 bucks.

It is more likely that if weed becomes legal it will be sold at a reasonable price with infinitely greater quality, weed is much easyer to grow and produces much more product than tabacco, i wont even bother to compare it to alchohol production.

[Jakedubbleya]

Ok, to those of you saying pot is going to make you kill yourself you must be on drugs. Because I have had some bad depression before and for a while I would drink everyday and the next day I would be in tears all day, becuase everything felt so much worse and I would just want to die. If I would smoke weed, I'd be high and the next day just feel fine, next day after that, fine... So how are you gonna tell me that pot will depress you in the same way alcohol will? Until you have depression and go drink a 40oz or 2 of beer then tell me the next day you feel better than how you'd feel the next day if you'd have smoked a blunt, stop talking.

err, you realize that since you were legally crazy at the time your opinion is well, flawed to say the least.

[LudavicoSoldier]

hey for the guys that are just lighting up in their homes out of sight, out of mind. good for you. but when the public starts to rant and rave about it being legal when we cant even keep kids off alcohol, well thats just stupid. kids have enough problems. and we as adults are dumb as it is to protect them from stuff, now you want to pot out there for them to get legally. come one people, this sounds like george bush speaking.

Keep doing what you are doing, keep it to your selves, keep it quiet, go home and have fun. wooppee

Dont drive stoned and kill me

Dont get stoned get depressed and jump out your window and land on me

dont go to work stoned at the nuclear power plant and blow me up

Dont sell it to kids, dont buy it from people that do.

be smart. know the facts.

Good points all around! Lets face it, most adults who smoke know where to get it without shadyness. Almost all the adults I know who smoke keep it under tight wraps, as it should be. When it comes down to it, adults can/will do what they want, but we MUST do what we can to keep drugs/alcohol of any kind out of the hands of minors. You wont find me on the corner beating a drum in support of legalization of marijuana for that reason. Set a good example in public, do what you want in private.

[spantol]

Good show, sir. Citationally owned.

I'll read up on that one, definitely looks interesting. Doesn't do much to change the personal opinions I expressed earlier--that marijuana abuse, particularly the so-called gateway effect, is the manifestation of self-destructive behavior, behavior that is not deterred by criminalization--but it does looks to blow the "physically harmless" arguments made elsewhere out of the water.

*References Snipped*

[Eric Of Extreme Measures]

Hey, I never wanted to touch this thread due to my prior relationship with the plant!

I have many dear friends and loved ones that enjoy the spice and i love them dearly. I dont.

I have many fiends that love to drink. I dont.

I have done enough for all of us in my past and have decided to spend the latter part of my life recovering from my destructive days.

It is our choice in life in everything we do, but some times our choices will determine the direction of others, younger people, in the same life.

Many of the people i have mentioned that i love, that do use, would never want there children to use. they would never want their children to have to be pressured into drugs at school.

In Long Island, New York this past week, a man was arrested for selling and pushing weed to minors to kids from an ice-cream truck.

This can happen. how do we stop it, i dont know, but legalizing the stuff sure wont help.

Have fun...
Live your life, i'll live mine.
Good luck.