need help! gift for a girl...

[Cameo]

Agreed. They may say: All I want is to be loved. But for typical females, their idea of love involves money and satiating an incessant need for attention. Why do you think girls like flowers? So you can piss away money on something that's going to die, and you have to go buy more later. Jewelry? Once again, pissing away money on something with neither entertainment value, nor a use. "It symbolizes your love!" Yeah... how much money you're willing to dump on this chick.

Don't buy her stuff and she thinks: "I must not be that important to you!"

This is why you should find a girl who makes good money and already has everything... she buys YOU stuff, and just wants you for your body.

If you buy her a blender, or a washing machine - and she gets excited and you get lucky that night... she's a keeper.

I would have to say that one shouldn not take advice from a guy who is single... But hey that is just me.

By the way the idea about underwear shopping was great.. Just make sure it is at Fredricks or if you have to go low class do Victoria's. For the love of god do not go underwear shopping anyplace that you can also buy tools or groceries.

A copy of the first movie you saw together is sweet. Or get her a cd that just came out, that way 3 years from now she can still listen to the cd and remember "oh yea that adorable guy with the blue eyes gave me this, I wonder what happened to him and the clerk from Victoria's that he ran away with".


Personally my favorite gifts are the ones that used to be the guys.. The pair of sweat pants I put on when I spend the night at his place, the long sleeve dress shirt that is so comfy to sleep in and still smells of his cologne, or his tie (yummm).

[trains are bad]

Spyderco Ladybug.


Oh wait, I bought my girl a Ladybug. I miss that knife. Should have kept it for myself.

[Jakedubbleya]

I would have to say that one shouldn not take advice from a guy who is single... But hey that is just me.

didnt you see hitch?

[tropical_fishy]

didnt you see hitch?

One should also be careful of taking advice from bad movies

[Jakedubbleya]

what........ eva

[Miscue]

I would have to say that one shouldn not take advice from a guy who is single... But hey that is just me.

I don't think you're married... and I won't comment on your age - that would be dirty pool.

Description of Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B makes an attack on person A.
3. Therefore A's claim is false.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).
Example of Ad Hominem

1. Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong."
Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest."
Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?"
Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say."

Source: http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...d-hominem.html

[frop]

Awww I can't make my suggestion because of the filter Pocket Rocket or something similar.

[Jakedubbleya]

Description of Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

Garr finally somebody other than me uses ad hominem!

[Miscue]

Women often say they are not interested in wealth, because they all know this is not a good quality to advertise. And I think that most of them actually believe that they don't... it's this whole lack of accountability and rationality thing. Am I saying that they are dumb? Not at all - they can be perfectly brilliant and talented, but this is an entirely separate issue.

It's a matter of incentive. Part of the problem with the accountability and rationality thing is that they can be 100% capable of it, but have absolutely no need for it - if they are attractive. Why and when does an attractive female ever need to be this way? She can ALWAYS find a guy willing to put up with her crap. Always. Actually, she doesn't have to go looking - she already has a bunch of men lined up as backups. Ever notice how attractive females have SO MANY male friends, whereas the converse is not the case?

Getting back to the issue of females not overcoming their genetic tendencies and how they mislead themselves if they say they are not interested in wealth.

Translating the female tongue (No, I'm not regurgitating ladder theory - these are my personal observations):

"He's so thoughtful." = He buys me stuff routinely.
"He takes me to dinner all the time." = He buys me dinner routinely.
"He's got his life together, unlike my previous relations." = He makes more money than the others, has his own place, and a nice car.
"He comes from a good family." = He comes from money.
"He takes me places." = He pays for my transportation and various travel expenses.
"I like how he dresses." = He wears expensive clothes.

I am not a misogynist. My philosophies are more inline with feminism. Feminism to me is not about being anti-male or whatever, but yeah - you can't really talk about feminism without discussing the female relationship with men. Most women are not feminists (although they often think they are a member of the club, just because they are female - and have no understanding of how a straight male can be more of a feminist than they are), and attractive women are the worst candidates for it. It's disappointing - so many industrious women over the years have put much effort into furthering these ideas that women do not have to fall into these traditional, stereotypical roles and can become something much more.

Those sorts are few and far between. Females may not like anything I've said so for, except possibly the previous sentence. Why? Because most believe they are the exception, and it's appealing that there is something wrong with the rest... "but not me, I'm special."

[Miscue]

Garr finally somebody other than me uses ad hominem!

The problem with these fallacies are this:

Person A can effectively argue and has a good understanding of formal logic, informal fallacies, etc. Person A argues with person B and points out a classic fallacy, person B often does not even have any clue as to what the relevance is. Later on, person B might familiarize himself with various fallacies but superficially understands them... any moron can look up a list. Person A does not need to even bring them up really, but they can be convenient.

Person B eventually quotes fallacies when convenient, often incorrectly applies them, and thinks he's won the argument and declares victory with this form of argument stopper. It becomes a waste of time to try to reason with person B at this point, who is unreasonable.

Person A understands this stuff: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/pub/HistMath...CalcLogic.html

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-classical/

Person B has absolutely no idea how little he knows, and how much can be known... and argues with someone who is comparatively... a monster... on a completely different level.

I don't know if there is a fallacy of the usage of fallacies...

[Chipper]

The problem with these fallacies are this:

Person A can effectively argue and has a good understanding of formal logic, informal fallacies, etc. Person A argues with person B and points out a classic fallacy, person B often does not even have any clue as to what the relevance is. Later on, person B might familiarize himself with various fallacies but superficially understands them... any moron can look up a list. Person A does not need to even bring them up really, but they can be convenient.

Person B eventually quotes fallacies when convenient, often incorrectly applies them, and thinks he's won the argument and declares victory with this form of argument stopper. It becomes a waste of time to try to reason with person B at this point, who is unreasonable.

Person A understands this stuff: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/pub/HistMath...CalcLogic.html

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-classical/

Person B has absolutely no idea how little he knows, and how much can be known... and argues with someone who is comparatively... a monster... on a completely different level.

I don't know if there is a fallacy of the usage of fallacies...

Now, your posts have been very informitive and stuff, I did learn of a few theories, but you did not mention 1 thing this guy should get for his girlfriend/women in life/etc....

My vote goes to perfume, whenever she wears it she will think of you.

[Jakedubbleya]

I don't know if there is a fallacy of the usage of fallacies...

like saying dont take advice from women because they are women?

although technically that isnt EXACTLY against the "man" now is it...

[Miscue]

like saying dont take advice from women because they are women?

although technically that isnt EXACTLY against the "man" now is it...

No, I find them to be very valuable sources of information. Well, let my qualify that: I suppose it depends on the subject matter.

Any insights that they can give you on how women think, are good to know. I think that they can also appreciate a male's perspective as well.

Insights on "What does it take to make you happy?" I try to pay close attention to that... and make what efforts that I can.

[HarrysSon]

All girls love jewelry, a ring would be perfect!

[Miscue]

All girls love jewelry, a ring would be perfect!

Not true. Some of them have poor self-esteem and believe that they don't deserve to wear it. They are uncommon, but some actually think they are a waste of money and would prefer something that she could use - that's a good woman.

But admittedly, it can make them look really pretty.