Can you get more anti-American? (gah this is depressing)

[NJPaint]

FactsOfLife - Don't even bother with the idiot. He can't reply with anything but flaming crap to anyone's posts he doesn't whore-heartedly agree with.

Please leave the personal attacks out of this thread. You heard Army, keep it civil, discussing politics is one thing, leving personal attacks is way out of line, here at least.

[NJPaint]

almost. profiling has nothing to do with one enthic group being better than another. peole that care more about their 2 minutes than their country simply act like martyrs and try to make it look like the system is based purely on prejudice and not on reason.

I never said that profiling was the same as racial superiority. I was countering someone elses comments that stated that they treat people differently based on their race.

[MarkM]

yeah because national security in 1759 had an even microscopic resemblance to it's form and importance of the modern day?

just because you can quote big ben franklin doesn't mean it's very relevant to modern day.

Whilst you might be correct in modern day transference of morals and ideals plenty of times the American Constitution is cited as being a perfectly good document for todays society despite the passages being written over 200 years ago, so attacking someone for reading Benjamin Franklin isn't the smartest thing to do.
I get searched going onto American planes as part of this random search pattern...I am White and over 40...which part of the profile do I fit? I travel both alone and with members of my team so there isn't any pattern there.
This thread btw is getting very close to being closed so all participating in it think at least twice before you hit reply to any of the posts. Keep it civil in both your replies to each other together with the content of your reply and it will continue.

[NJPaint]

MarkM sent you a question via PM.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

yeah because national security in 1759 had an even microscopic resemblance to it's form and importance of the modern day?

just because you can quote big ben franklin doesn't mean it's very relevant to modern day.

Frankin's principles are still relevant today, but I don't think they are necessarily relevant to this particular case. Nobody has to submit to these searches. You can always choose to NOT get on the airplane.

[Army]

NJPaint. Yes, I am prejudiced against one race. That race that has sworn to kill all infidels in accordance with their religion.

Not all mid-east people are Muslim, so obviously some have the same beliefs as I. Regardless, there is no other race that has sworn to kill all the non-muslims.

When I find out that the Malaysian in line is also Muslim, my experience says "watch him like a hawk". If I found that ignorant white boy from Marin county (that's a very liberal area of San Francisco) in Afghanistan, I would have boxed his ears, called him stupid, and tossed him into Gitmo personally......if I hadn't shot him already.

Nope, not racist, but REALIST.

It wasn't the All Canadian Molson Drinking Team that killed over 3000 in 2001.

[NJPaint]

"That race that has sworn to kill all infidels in accordance with their religion." You are talking about a very small section of Muslims. Should we start considering all Christians terrorists for bombing abortion clinics next?

"there is no other race that has sworn to kill all the non-muslims", I don't get it. So you believe that Muslims all want to kill non-muslims? Last time I checked there are certain Jews that think the exact same way about Muslims. Oh wait, just today 4 Arab Israelis were murdered by an Israeli soldier. I guess since this guy claimed that his religion supported him, all Jews are terrorists!

Link: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/...ing/index.html


There are always extremists in a religion. Heck the KKK even claims Christian origins. Do you support their activities over the last 50 years? This was all in accordance to their religion. They are a small sub-sect of people who categorically hate all non-whites. Very similar to Al Qaeda in that they hate everyone that isn't like them. Neither of them represent entire races.

[NJPaint]

You said yourself that you are prejudiced against a race, the dictionary definition of racism. One can not categorically say that an entire "race" is sworn to destroy everyone who isn't like them. It is simply not true. You focus on only the extremists and can not see that there are other people other than them in the race. Just like some french conspiracy theorists can't see past George Bush and see America for what it is.

[Jakedubbleya]

.....I stared into the wonder of the Warrior Jesus Christ
And destiny was burning in his eyes.

Chorus:
He said, do you really believe in Freedom ?
I said, I do
He said, oh, what about me ?

And the Sandinista said, do you really believe in Freedom ?
I said, I do
He said, oh, what about me ?

And the man in Cuba said, do you really believe in Freedom ?
I said, I do
He said, oh, but what about me ?

And in Baghdad he said, do you really believe in Freedom ?
I said, I do
And he said, oh, but what about me ?

-Kris Kristofferson

[SCpoloRicker]

Jeez, Army you should probably head over to the bar if you're gonna play like that.

And yes, madPSIence quoting Franklin makes one totally out of touch with what this country (should be) all about. Stupid Franklin, with his views on seperation of church and state, skepticism of government, and progressive ideas.

/someone else quoted you sweetie
//hates the "new" Republican party

[oldsoldier]

Muslims way of life is "Inshallah". They accept what happens, and follow orders. The vast majority (overseas, in the mideast) are fundamentalists...the very ones that are against us. Dont fogrget; they have no legitimate news agency, newspaper, etc. Everything they recieve is onesided. Yes, that happens here too; but, we are far more educated than them, and are (well, some of us) able to form our own opinions. Besides, our media isnt controlled by the government, and we cdan watch CNN, BBC, Itar Tass, hell, Al Jazeera should you so choose.
I second army's statement about watching mideasterners closely. To kill someone based on their religious beliefs, or lack thereof, is being racial. To actively engage in protecting yourself and your countrymen by targeting a certain sector of the population based on their ethnicity, is, unfortunately, reality. You can idly sit by, and wait for it to happen again, or take a stand, as unpopular as it may be. Myself, I prefer to stand.

[Jaan]

Well, its too damned PC to "randomly" search people these days. Last I looked, it wasnt the 80 y/o lady, or the 9 y/o kid that piloted the two planes. nor did they do the London bombings. Get over it.

Why were those terrorists able to get into the cockpit in the first place? Because the doors were not locked. Why? Because nobody ever did it before. No, I won't get over it because it's plainly dumb not to try to prevent a foreseeable action because it's never happened before. Israel had armored locking doors on their airplane cockpits years before 9/11 ... we should have seen this coming.

They were middle eastern.

Not all terrorists are of middle eastern decent. Some would be welcomed with open arms by the KKK. Some have red hair and freckles.

Will it offend people? Yup. Will it possibly prevent another hit against us? Moreso than searching a 9 year olds teddy bear will.

Like terrorists have NEVER planted a bomb onboard an airplane. Let me let you in on something ... if you stop searching any package for any reason, THAT'S where the bomb will be.

I am all for the profiling. Its about time someone steeped forward and said "look, these "random" searches arent random, when we are deliberatley NOT searching people of mideastern descent, for fear of bad PR". Oh well. Welcome to OUR Jihad.

OKay, let me get right to the point that everyone seems to skate around while talking about racial profiling. We're talking about treating people with brown skin differently than anyone else.

So, in your American Jihad, what "traits" would you consider middle eastern? Should officials carry around color charts with the various shades of brown so we can tell who "they" are? What about the shape of the nose, or the eyes? Black curly hair? How about body odor? What if the person was only half "middle eastern" and ended up with fair skin and hair, should they have to wear a brown diamond on thier clothes? And one more thing ... how the hell are you going to be able to tell the difference between a middle eastern fellow, and a hairy Itallian with a tan?

[NJPaint]

The vast majority (overseas, in the mideast) are fundamentalists...the very ones that are against us.

Excuse me? Do you not realize the entire inaccuracy of your statements? Let me clarify. Saddam was not a fundamentalist. He was extirely secular and thus why we supported him against Iran. He was NOT a FUNDAMENTALIST. Do you even know what it means to be a fundamentalist? It has NOTHING to do with hating the United States. It has NOTHING to do with terrorism. It is strict conections between the church and state allowing the church to control what the state does and enforcing islamic law. "vast majority" are fundamentalists, please provide us with any proof whatso ever. Please, share.

"The very ones that are against us" Last time I checked we were fighting Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda is an extremely small group smattered over several countries. They do not represent nations and they are hated by many Muslim governments. The war in Iraq was not fought against fundamentalists. It was fought against a secular, extremely repressive ruler. Our number one ally in the area is Saudi Arabia. THEY are hard-line fundamentalist. Please, do your research before you spout terms that you don't know or understand!

[Jakedubbleya]

So, in your American Jihad, what "traits" would you consider middle eastern?

accent, facial features, skin tone, clothes.

yes, there are other terrorists in the world besides those of middle eastern descent (i saw team america thank you very much) but short fat koreans are quick and they can fit under door jams so theyre pretty much a lost cause. we've got to put our efforts, where they can yield results!

[drg]

If Muslims want to prevent backlash against them and their religion, they better step up efforts to reform their religion.

If Americans want to prevent terrorism against them and their religion, they better step up efforts to reform their religion. Be it Christianity, conservatism or the general worship of the almight dollar.

But seriously, wake up. Imposing reform on a religion from the outside is begging for more trouble. How do you think religious wars get started in the first place? Or wars in general? Do you enjoy Muslim extremists' attempts to reform American capitalism?