So.. my house was broken into

[tsc]

Eh, I know where you are coming from. Last thursday I had my car broken into sitting in my driveway....

They only managed to get about 8 bucks, mostly in change, they stole my bag I take to work. Which didnt have anything of value to anyone other than myself. Where I Could care a less about the 8 bucks, and they could care a less about my personal stuff in my bag. It is what I miss the most. Now, Im sure its sitting in the bottom of a land fill somewhere ..... I still feel angry because of it. But, like everyone else its my fault for not locking my car ....I suppose I asked for it, but, I'm still angry about it!

That's nothing like what happened to Lohman. You don't have to sit there with the knowledge that somebody could be killed with a gun that was stolen from your house because you didn't properly secure it.

[Lohman446]

That's nothing like what happened to Lohman. You don't have to sit there with the knowledge that somebody could be killed with a gun that was stolen from your house because you didn't properly secure it.

I beleive I took reasonable measures to secure them - the house was locked, they were out of sight - they were reasonably secured. Could they have been better secured - yes they could have, but I took reasonable steps...

That being said.. yeh, its been a thought on my mind for two days now. That and the thought that not only is someone willing to enter my house, they are now armed.

I have a security system, including interior motion detectors and perimeter sensors that I will ahve installed shortly now.

[Muzikman]

I'll give you credit, the loaded hand gun was not sitting on the coffee table. Other than that, they were not reasonably secure. If you would have said they were in the basement on the top shelf behind the Christmas boxes, then maybe I'll give it to you. But placing them under your socks is not secure by any means.

[Jaan]

I have a security system, including interior motion detectors and perimeter sensors that I will ahve installed shortly now.

Do you have a cable modem, or DSL? I did something a couple of years ago with a camera hooked up to a computer and if the picture changed a significant amount it would start uploading the pictures to a remote server. A security camera basically. That way, even if the bad guys took the computer and everything else and burned down the house there would be pictures of them on a server someplace else.

Just don't use wireless cameras ... there is something called "wardriving" where guys drive around looking for signals to spy on people.

[Lohman446]

I'll give you credit, the loaded hand gun was not sitting on the coffee table. Other than that, they were not reasonably secure. If you would have said they were in the basement on the top shelf behind the Christmas boxes, then maybe I'll give it to you. But placing them under your socks is not secure by any means.

Theres a difference between reasonably secure and secure. Where they secure? Apparantly not, there not there any more. Where there reasonable steps taken to secure them? I think so. I'm not arguing your point that they were not secure in the end, but I would argue that most reasonable people would have called them secure. In the end I was wrong... at the time though it seemed reasonable.

[Automaggot68]

Do you have a cable modem, or DSL? I did something a couple of years ago with a camera hooked up to a computer and if the picture changed a significant amount it would start uploading the pictures to a remote server. A security camera basically. That way, even if the bad guys took the computer and everything else and burned down the house there would be pictures of them on a server someplace else.

Just don't use wireless cameras ... there is something called "wardriving" where guys drive around looking for signals to spy on people.

To spy on people?
My buddies and I war drive all the time.
Its just going around your local areas and finding WIFI and unmanaged wireless networks.
Simple as that.

[PsychoBaller]

I hear ya... I hate that "unsafe feeling" while being at home. My rents and I went away for a week to Florida some years ago. Our house at the time was broken into, obviously by some hooligans, as not much was taken. They only got into the basement, through a faulty storm latch window.... had super deadbolts on the door going to the upstairs so no worries bout anything other than storage crap... xmas decorations. But still... made us feel uncomfortable till we had an Alarm system put in.

I am still debating the Remote Sentry Perimeter Turrets the day I get my own home... Setup some sorta paintball guns if i cant use real ones...

[Jaan]

To spy on people?
My buddies and I war drive all the time.
Its just going around your local areas and finding WIFI and unmanaged wireless networks.
Simple as that.

Yeah ... and you can also drive around looking for wireless cameras, especially those cheap little "X-10" cameras. I guess you never realized that ... geek

[SIGSays]

what is the world coming to these days?

[Cameo]

Wait a second,
So people can drive around with say a laptop and see what the security camera's are seeing, I don't quite understand.. Things that you think are helping you are actually hurting you?? That is a bit un nerving.

tsc,
I can see where Alley is getting the corrilation. If you want to keep your things safe there are certain steps you take to securing them. When you are lax on your "responciblites" and something like this happens it is just a basic feeling of regret. I also see your point that to you it just doesn't seem as signifigant.. Just knowing that you are more valunursable then you origonally thought is a tough thing to grasp, wether it is $8 or WMD's.

That being said, I still hope that those responcible are found soon and both of your things are returned. I think that just from this hapening to loham it has in fact made everyone of us question the little mistakes we make that could lead to big problems.. I just feel bad that Lohan had to be the guiney pig for us this time...

~steph

Muz,
Yes it is safe... I put it back in the same spot every time. I promise it has never been left outside like the childrens cheap and easily replaceable bikes..

[Muzikman]

Wait a second,
So people can drive around with say a laptop and see what the security camera's are seeing, I don't quite understand.. Things that you think are helping you are actually hurting you?? That is a bit un nerving.

If someone had a 802.11 wireless camera and they do not have it scured then yes, someone with a laptop can pull infront of their house and watch the camera. Not that it makes much difference unless you are using the camera to record you and your hubby's bedroom activities.

Muz,
Yes it is safe... I put it back in the same spot every time. I promise it has never been left outside like the childrens cheap and easily replaceable bikes..

Good...it was more of a joke anyway BTW, when you get the case for the EZ-Up, let me know, I want to send it down to Harry. I gave him the EZ-up.

[Muzikman]

Yeah ... and you can also drive around looking for wireless cameras, especially those cheap little "X-10" cameras. I guess you never realized that ... geek

Unless they came out with new camera's, the X10 cams are not 802.11.

[Jaan]

Wait a second,
So people can drive around with say a laptop and see what the security camera's are seeing, I don't quite understand.. Things that you think are helping you are actually hurting you?? That is a bit un nerving.

UGH, I hate it when a slow server looses my post. Grrrr, let's try this again.

Here's the deal ... air is free. The federal communications act of 1934 established that anyone can legally intercept signals that are being broadcast over the airwaves. That is why we don't pay a TV tax in the US and why all states (except Virginia) who tried to outlaw radar detectors had the laws overturned in court. Virginia is blatantly disregarding precedent but that's another story.

Basically, anyone with the right equipment can legally intercept wireless security cameras, wireless internet (yes Muzikman I know the difference ), baby monitors, radar guns etc. I've even ran across a web site before where voyeurs posted the locations of wireless security cameras.

So yeah, I would definitely think twice before putting a cheap wireless security camera in my little kids room.

[Crighton]

I just place all the wireless equipment in the basement. The only waves not blocked by the cement walls and earth are those headed up through the house. Unless someones on my roof or 1ft away from my foundation they get zero signal.

[paintman1234]

well im reading your thread thinking dang im glad i dont live in his neighbor hood (althougth its probley better then mine) and then i see you live in west michigan...great im in muskegon

where do you live exactly? just out of curiosity, and where do you ball?