Is Israel right?

[geekwarrior]

for those who believe in God/Jesus, doesnt it say in the Bible that there wont be peace in Isreal for the rest of this worlds life, because of their crucifying of Christ?

Don't want to start a religious debate, just asking....

[PyRo]

Aye, if there busy killing each other maybe they'll leave the old USA alone for awhile.

With us supporting Isreal? I think not.

[SlartyBartFast]

Let's face it, alot of countries surrounding Israel do not recognise it as a sovereign country.

Israel declared itself a country.

Wrong. The UN declaired Israel a country. The British ceeded control of the land. A vote that the Arab countries were stupid to lose. They walked out before the vote. In retrospect they could have won the vote.

The land that was formerly known as Palestine

But there was never a Palestinian state. And Palestine included much land outside Israel.

was annexxed, and some land from neighbouring countries aswel.

Wrong again. Or at least very selective in the facts. Israel was attacked by the surrounding countries. The other countries lost and lost bad.

This has never sat easy in the middle east, and some countries up to this day still have a hostile attitude towards the state of Israel.

Because of this, Israel has one of the most advanced armies in the world to counter any threat from neighbouring countries. They learned to fight hard for their land and are not planning on giving it up. Every Israeli man has to do 2 years of service in the army, and their training is hard.

Hate begets hate, so this is just a continuous spiral of violence with no end in sight.

Well, the spiral WAS coming to an end. Israel was withdrawing and leaving the Palestininas to their own corrupt government. Hamas and Hezbollah decided to bring it all back to war.

The way i see it, the only solution would be banning religion all together. Alot of wars that happened in the last 2000 years were in the name of some god or holy places. But i doubt that will ever happen.

[geekwarrior]

The way i see it, the only solution would be banning religion all together. Alot of wars that happened in the last 2000 years were in the name of some god or holy places. But i doubt that will ever happen.

wow, ban religion all together huh? Cars and guns kill alot of people every year, should we ban them? Was WWI or WWII a religious war? Vietnam? Just because there are religious fanatics in the Middle East does not give you the right to ban religion. Appreciate freedom of speech? Ban religion and you ban freedom of speech. The religious wars are started becasue there ISNT freedom of religion. Nations are trying to impose there religion on other people.

99% of religions teach love and peace. You want to ban religion for that other 1%?

[Arstron]

If it were me I would worship the "holy grounds from some where nice say Hawaii, SC, AGD parts warehouse, etc.

:rofl: now I could understand a fight over controling the holy grounds that we call the agd warehouse.

I agree with mann, after 9/11 I just new wwIII was going to start, I would almost say the same thing about this, but I really am not sure now. My life is going to go on the same way till that happens, with the exeption of a lot less driving due to the almost $3.00 gas prices.

[BigEvil]

It is about time we let Israel off of the leash that Jimmy Carter put them on, (and every other administration since, to some degree or another).

Every attempt at a resolution to the situation in the Mid east is fundamentally flawed. We go on the ASSUMTION that the arabs want peace. We ASSUME that they are reasonable and civilized people. They do not want peace. They do not want to co-exist with Israel. They want them dead. Period.

The only thing that these people understand, is force. Due to pressure form the US and the many ignorant peacenics in the Israeli government, Israel made land consessions to their enemies. They took it as a major sign of weekness. Now look where we are?

The arab world views Hezbolah as the only force that has DEFEATED the Israeli army. Hezbolah are heros in the arab world.

What a great policy.

[rkjunior303]

The last thing they need is another escalation in that part of the world. If Iran get's dragged into it, all hell could break loose.

[SCpoloRicker]

Politics is for the bar, newblars.

[thecavemankevin]

People in the middle east have been fighting over this "sand box" since the beginning of time. It all started way back when because of who knows why. I dont understand why they would want to live/ fight over a climate that is 100+ everyday. I know that it has biblical history, but can they not worship it without being there.

because if it is the only land you have you'll fight over it tooth and nail. Moreover, you know damn well that if Israel were to do as you say and leave, that the arabs would destroy any and all representation of the Jewish/Christianity faith. So that is one of the big reasons for Israel wanting to be there. They dont want the promis lands to be destroyed

[Steelrat]

And there you have it, distilled to its essense. The problems in the middle east are directly related to economics. There is so much poverty, it leads to resentment. The whole jihad angle is just a convenient, and more palatable, excuse.

[MicroMiniMe]

And there you have it, distilled to its essense. The problems in the middle east are directly related to economics. There is so much poverty, it leads to resentment. The whole jihad angle is just a convenient, and more palatable, excuse.

Yeah, you don't hear too much about the non Muslim populace of Dubai being oppressed. Small nations with billions tend to do OK even for the poor minorities.

Bumper Sticker I once seen:
Religion: Keeping the poor from killing the rich for over 2000 years

/Will Army give us a free pass on the forum rules for religion if we behave?

//Kinda had to talk about Israel without the history of Judaism

[TheAngryDrunkenRussian]

I kind of understand where both sides are coming from. Isreal is a one of a kind the only jewish country in the world will fight to protect everything (culture, religion, and history) Palstinains want their lost state back almost like a boy that lost his dog.

I know you hate history but to understand Arab history is to understand their present situation. Back when they conquered countries (Ottoman Empire) that reached as far as Spain and into Russia. They believe that once it was conquered that it will always be a Arabic State. And violence runs through their family blood lines naturaly. Take a look at a European Monarchy Starts with a King then passed down to the Oldest Prince and then to his sons, Now Saltins pass their rule to their next youngest brother then to the next brother and after all the brothers are dead it passes to the first's sons. so now instead of a prince killing daddy for the crown, its the last son on the totem pole offing his entire family just to become saltin.

And please every Arab is not a Muslim.

[Eagle]

I think WW3 is a bit premature. In case you hadn't noticed, until Isreal went outside its border (not counting Gaza), the Arab world (not counting the Palastinians) kept quiet. So aside from them attacking territory in their neighboring countries, the Arabs seem prepared to let Hesbolla and the rest hang themselves. Even Iran has kept quiet on the issue (of course I'm sure they are still funneling supplies and weapons, but that is beside the point).

[thecavemankevin]

saw this on the glenn beck show and then found it again on youtube(greatest site since sliced bread) History of the Middle East, in a couple minutes, and in cartoon format

[thecavemankevin]

I think WW3 is a bit premature. In case you hadn't noticed, until Isreal went outside its border (not counting Gaza), the Arab world (not counting the Palastinians) kept quiet. So aside from them attacking territory in their neighboring countries, the Arabs seem prepared to let Hesbolla and the rest hang themselves. Even Iran has kept quiet on the issue (of course I'm sure they are still funneling supplies and weapons, but that is beside the point).

I agree that WW3 is deffinately a bit premature (but will the history books 50 years from now say that the kidnapping of 3 Israely soldiers start it.....perhaps?????). As for Hesbolla, we all know damned well that Iran in one way or another is controlling them. Moreover, it seems a very real possiblility that this will spill over into Syria, and that will likely lead to Iran physically jumping into it rather than just being the invisible hand behind everything. And of course that would lead us into getting into it....and then Brittan, Australia, Euro union (minus france of course). I mean this is all speculation....but we shall see.