An incredible display of skill and technology . . .

[SCpoloRicker]

I work for Sukhoil. So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies.

Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me.... You don't.

I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you don't know what you are talking about.

This is how bad info gets passed around.

If you dont know about the topic....Don't make yourself sound like you do.

Cos some AOers believe anything they hear.

[Steelrat]

I work for Sukhoil.

Is that a petroleum company?

[trevorjk]

I work for Sukhoil. So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies.

Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me.... You don't.

I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you don't know what you are talking about.

This is how bad info gets passed around.

If you dont know about the topic....Don't make yourself sound like you do.

Cos some AOers believe anything they hear.

then enlighten us?

[bleachit]

I work for Sukhoil. So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies.

Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me.... You don't.

I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you don't know what you are talking about.

This is how bad info gets passed around.

If you dont know about the topic....Don't make yourself sound like you do.

Cos some AOers believe anything they hear.

I work for Lockfeed Shartin. So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies.

Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me.... You don't.

I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you don't know what you are talking about.

This is how bad info gets passed around.

If you dont know about the topic....Don't make yourself sound like you do.

Cos some AOers believe anything they hear.

[mobsterboy]

I work for Sukhoil. So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies.

Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me.... You don't.

I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you don't know what you are talking about.

This is how bad info gets passed around.

If you dont know about the topic....Don't make yourself sound like you do.

Cos some AOers believe anything they hear.

you seem to really get around jobwise. Where don't you work again?

The line "I work for..." is really overrated and overused, so im really just getting a kick out of your replies. lawl

[txaggie08]

I was more entertained by this video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...80470768460776

You hear the guy at the end go "its alright"

[edweird]

so yeah my 10 years of working on USAF tactical aircraft in close relation with instructor pilots is just some BS you get from the typical AOer...

[pennywise]

I work for Sukhoil. So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies.

Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me.... You don't.

I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you don't know what you are talking about.

This is how bad info gets passed around.

If you dont know about the topic....Don't make yourself sound like you do.

Cos some AOers believe anything they hear.

so yeah my 10 years of working on USAF tactical aircraft in close relation with instructor pilots is just some BS you get from the typical AOer...

Jesus, haven't you people figured out Ricker's game yet...

[billybob_81067]

I work for sarcasm and irony. So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies.

Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me.... You don't.

I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you don't know what you are talking about.

This is how bad info gets passed around.

If you dont know about the topic....Don't make yourself sound like you do.

Cos some AOers believe anything they hear.

[rkjunior303]

Exactly. And even if you do "dogfight" its all about energy. Pulling those airshow manuevers dumps so much energy that you are toast.

What the Sukhois and Migs will actually face is a bunch of F-22s running passive, launching their missles with supercruise boosting for additional range, acquiring the targeting information from AWACs loitering way behind them. Enemy planes will not even know what hit them. Remember that air warfare is more than just plane versus plane, though the F-22 canbeat anyone at that game. It's about all the support systems as well, and no one else in the world does that NEARLY as well as the US.

that's even if they get past stuff like or AEGIS cruisers.

[SCpoloRicker]

"Sukhois"? "Sukhoil"? "Suckoil"?

/lol
//happy friday everybody

[Steelrat]

that's even if they get past stuff like or AEGIS cruisers.

Or even if they get in the air after their fields are pounded by wave after wave of tomahawks.

[NewbieMagMan10988]

*back on topic*


I think that was neat.


*on stupid topic*

Who cares... it was an air show, not a "i can win in a dogfight because i cans stall my plane" show....



But w/e


Mike

[Steelrat]

*back on topic*


I think that was neat.


*on stupid topic*

Who cares... it was an air show, not a "i can win in a dogfight because i cans stall my plane" show....



But w/e


Mike

Yes, but then the inevitable "Those things could waste our planes in a dogfight" stuff happened. Only third-world countries really think that fancy flying crap means anything in actual fighting.

[DWill]

Wrong. The F-22 is every bit as manueverable as the Sukhois. You should see the airshow demos, the -22 does cobras and all the other junk the Sukhois do. The Mig-29 OTV may be a tad more manueverable due to it's 3-d manuevering, but it's really academic. The new HOBS heaters and HMS allow engagement all around an airplane anyways.

Plus, in air-to-air combat, energy is life. Slow speed manuevers look cool, but they will only get you killed. The F-22 has it all over the russian jets. It can supercruise, which means it can exercise contempt of engagement all day long. The F-22 has a far, far superior radar that will soon be upgraded to act as an emp weapon. The -22s will massacre the russian jets, and thats not even figuring in the stealth. Even the most conservative estimates put the kill/loss ratio of a -22 versus an SU-27 at 10+ to 1.

There is NO jet out there that it equal to the Raptor. Not the Russian birds, not the Eurofighter, NOTHING.

Sorry for beating a dead horse but the Su-37 has 3d thrust vectoring as well and I imagine is quite a bit more manueverable than the F-22. The "stealth" technology also makes the F-22 a bit less aerodynamic. You can never completely plan out combat situations and if a dogfight were to happen the extra manueverbility might be useful. But I agree the F-22 is a superior fighter. However that is also a moot point, seeing as Su-37s are not in production and will likely never be. You are also comparing a generation 4 fighter to a generation 5 fighter, and a 130 million dollar fighter to a 45 million (ish) fighter, hardly fair. Finally the F-22 is most likely the best fighter now, but later? The Russians have some very promising test planes, and have been known to but out high quality fighters that compete with ours for a much lower cost.