If you could change the world?

[tropical_fishy]

Great idea: Kill the guy who God used to start the three major world religions so no one would die because of religious wars. Forgetting the fact that wars are never about religion. They are always about economics, money and power. Religion is just the fall guy. So you can blame God all you want, but it really is the fault of the ATM.

Once again: if God IS the Abrahamic God, He would find a way to get His message through with or WITHOUT Abraham.

Terrible things are done in the name of God. I am not anti-God, nor am I anti-Christian, but I do think that saying "nothing is about religion" is ridiculous and simplistic.

[slade]

Great idea: Kill the guy who God used to start the three major world religions so no one would die because of religious wars. Forgetting the fact that wars are never about religion. They are always about economics, money and power. Religion is just the fall guy. So you can blame God all you want, but it really is the fault of the ATM.

what? wars have been fought for even trivial matters regarding religion. wars have been fought for other matters regarding religion. even in wars for economics, money or power, religion is used as a justification and incentive.

[ahellers]

alright every one. i think this is getting into the religious zone and we dont want this thread closed do we?
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[bornl33t]

what does abraham have to do with it?

Fishy is right, look at how many new religions pop up every year. That was a dumb statement.

"Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and higher education positively fortifies it."
Stephen Vizinczey

[billybob_81067]

"Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and higher education positively fortifies it."
Stephen Vizinczey

Hey you can't use the same quote in every thread!

[geekwarrior]

I can show you the world
Shining, shimmering, splendid
Tell me, princess, now when did
You last let your heart decide?

I can open your eyes
Take you wonder by wonder
Over, sideways and under
On a magic carpet ride

A whole new world
A new fantastic point of view
No one to tell us no
Or where to go
Or say we're only dreaming

A whole new world
A dazzling place I never knew
But when I'm way up here
It's crystal clear
That now I'm in a whole new world with you
Now I'm in a whole new world with you

/sorry everytime I see this thread
/yes its teh ghey

[tropical_fishy]

I can show you the world
Shining, shimmering, splendid
Tell me, princess, now when did
You last let your heart decide?

I can open your eyes
Take you wonder by wonder
Over, sideways and under
On a magic carpet ride

A whole new world
A new fantastic point of view
No one to tell us no
Or where to go
Or say we're only dreaming

A whole new world
A dazzling place I never knew
But when I'm way up here
It's crystal clear
That now I'm in a whole new world with you
Now I'm in a whole new world with you

/sorry everytime I see this thread
/yes its teh ghey

Dude, that song is totally about sex. Or an acid trip. But I can't see Disney trying to rip off Steppenwolf.

[Armory]

It is not in the hands of any man to want to change this world, man has been given the right of free will. Each man, woman and child must make thier own dicisions right or wrong. It is in hope that man learns from the errors and success of those who have come before us and have the wisdom to use this knowledge. To forgive our enemies of wrong doing, to move into the future with a pure heart, mind and soul; wiser and our minds opened to the ideas of others. Man has been given that choice, those decisions are to be made by each humanbeing so that some day man may never have to consider changing the world, it will already have changed and in our image. Alas, there is 1 thing that I would change to help better man kind to further our pursuit of equality and divinety...

DESTROY SMART PARTS!!!

[bornl33t]

Hey you can't use the same quote in every thread!

It's a goood quote tho! And it totally applies!

[edweird]

Just wait until you wake up and get a clue. Only at that point will you understand what a moronic statement that really was.

Good luck with that.

Im not going to argue with you, as someone who is totally in debt to your faith your obviously not intersted in reason at all. Faith relys on the users complete disinterest in deductive reasoning and the exploration of evidence, thus its illogical to argue with you at all since your incapable to understand reason, consideration evidence, and will most likley respond with attempts to use rational thought by changing the topic to avoid dealing with hard data.

Great idea: Kill the guy who God used to start the three major world religions so no one would die because of religious wars. Forgetting the fact that wars are never about religion. They are always about economics, money and power. Religion is just the fall guy. So you can blame God all you want, but it really is the fault of the ATM.

I only continue because someone else might gleen some enlightenment from this.

Religion is a tool, used by man to influence the masses in order to further his pursuits of politics, economics, and other selfish conquests. It has nothing to do with god at all as god clearly is the biggest fairy tale ever; but because something does not exist does not mean the idea of it is without blame. But to say that organized religion is never the cause of wars is plain ignorance. Do I need to remind you about that strip of land people have been killing each other over for thousands of years so they can be closer to rocks to beat their heads against? Also I dont suppose you think that suicide vests are the leading cause of improving your own "Economics, money, and power"?

Changing the superstition from the source is the perfect way to both test the validity of the magic in the first place, and hopefully skew the viral idea/meme that is abrahamic religion to something geared more toward tolorance, enlightenment and respect for your fellow person. Instead of the current system based on fear the big man upstairs and follow the rules or your not getting your good afterlife. Or worse, someone understanding there is no imaginary man, pretend you beleive anyway and dupe society to aid your delusions of grandeur under threat that your influence/divine right of kings gives you an inside line to alter gods naughty and nice list.

Yes I am an atheist, and I would prefer my world without the ideas of: Jihad, Crusades, Inquisition, Zealotry, Female Circumcision, Sin, Idols, Fatwa, Dogma, heck the whole concept that another person is by birthright better than another by default. Lets all just grow up and understand that magic is fake already... ok?

[geekwarrior]

to something geared on tolorance, enlightenment and respect for your fellow person. Instead of the current system of fear the big man upstairs and follow the rules or your not getting your good afterlife.

Interesting. If this short life was all I had, and there are no consequences afterward, why should I care about tolerance, enlightenment, or respect for my fellow person?

[edweird]

Interesting. If this short life was all I had, and there are no consequences afterward, why should I care about tolerance, enlightenment, or respect for my fellow person?

because this is the only life your ever going to have, or that you can prove that your ever going to have... so your duty as a human being is to make sure that it is the best one you can ever possibly have, instead of suffering though it, hoping that it ends without incident so you can have your peice of heaven.

Also try to live life not for yourself, but for the positive effect it has on the only life others will have too.

[geekwarrior]

because this is the only life your ever going to have, or that you can prove that your ever going to have... so your duty as a human being is to make sure that it is the best one you can ever possibly have, instead of suffering though it, hoping that it ends without incident so you can have your peice of heaven.

Also try to live life not for yourself, but for the positive effect it has on the only life others will have too.

but why? who cares? If this is the only life I am ever going to have, why not live it for yourself and not waste it on others? duty as a human being? why is it my duty? because you said so?

[slade]

Interesting. If this short life was all I had, and there are no consequences afterward, why should I care about tolerance, enlightenment, or respect for my fellow person?

if you cant answer that question yourself, maybe you do need religion to keep you in line.

[Boski51]

because this is the only life your ever going to have, or that you can prove that your ever going to have... so your duty as a human being is to make sure that it is the best one you can ever possibly have, instead of suffering though it, hoping that it ends without incident so you can have your peice of heaven.

Also try to live life not for yourself, but for the positive effect it has on the only life others will have too.

Why? A human being is just a freak of an unknowing, uncaring mistake of chance. Why should I give a flying **** about you or anyone else in society. Why should I live to a code invented by some guy more than 5000 years ago. Why should I try to be anything other than my natural self. I should kill whatever I want, have sex with whatever I want, take whatever I want from whomever I want. I should live whatever life I want, because it really doesn't matter. It's kind of like living in LA....