UCLA student tasered by campus police for not showing ID

[Pneumagger]

Sure they wont let you on the plane, but they arn't gonna tazer you just because you dont have ID and are in an airport.

If you make half the scene that kid did in an airport @ the TSA line because you didn't have an ID... you bet your buns your gett tazered. Keep up the attitude and your likely to get tazed again. There's even a 2 for 1 special for middle eastern people.

Guess what fascist liberals... Law > You

[Steelrat]

Sure they wont let you on the plane, but they arn't gonna tazer you just because you dont have ID and are in an airport.

No, but they will if you refuse to leave, and throw a fit and resist officers. Nice try.

[Pneumagger]

I'm talking about state law. Say you didn't have any ID on you and you were walking down the street and for whatever reason you were asked by an officer for ID. I bet you'de be pretty annoyed if the officer proceded to put you in the back of the car and detain you until you could prove who you were.

now say there was a city ordinance requiring you to have ID or that was the consequence, then you have to show ID, whether it gets your rocks off or not.

The student was on campus and on private property that enforces this regulation, and I'm 100% this policy is posted a dozen times as you enter thier campus and buildings. Having to show ID where requested on private or government property is not a violation of any rights as long as it's posted... failing to comply with an officer called to escort you out because you broke the rules is in fact a crime.

If an officer asks you to stop on the street FOR WHATEVER REASON, and you feel like ignoring him... you have broken the law via non compliance with an officer of the law.

[Pneumagger]

Here's an interesting semi OT thought...

What if you are you are tazed in the face? I might actually cry.

[FactsOfLife]

Sure they wont let you on the plane, but they arn't gonna tazer you just because you dont have ID and are in an airport.

This is exactly the kind of nonsense response that people willfully use to make their case against the evil police.

Got news for you, you resist arrest, or mouth off to the cops you get what you deserve.

He was asked to show his ID. He refused.

He was asked to leave PRIVATE PROPERTY. He refused.

He was going to be forcibly ejected for being a punk. He tried to refuse.

They tazered his dumb *** for being said punk. He cried.

What part of this are you having difficulty understanding?

Your lame attempt at rationalizing is exactly that. Lame.

[chip08]

Doesn't everyone get it? This is America, land of the free. I should be able to come and go as I please, disregard all regulations that I do not see fit for me to follow and challenge authority who is there not to rough me up, but protect the general public.

This kid was just that, a kid. He thought he was citing some sort of higher value, above the law. Well, that's called the Constitution and I'm pretty sure he wasn't drawing on that one. The police were doing their job. Forget that he is Middle Eastern, what if he had in fact been a criminal (like a stalker or rapists or theif) or some terrorist using the library as research tool. The cops don't know that. But you know what, the point of the tazer is to use them. They allow police to quickly take charge of a hostile or uncontrollable situation. They also give options. If he drew his gun, the kid either obeys or disobeys, and the cop either holds back or shoots him if he remains noncompliant.

I like pneumagger, I want to taze someone's face. The dork in the video would be nice...

[Altimas]

This is exactly the kind of nonsense response that people willfully use to make their case against the evil police.

Got news for you, you resist arrest, or mouth off to the cops you get what you deserve.

He was asked to show his ID. He refused.

He was asked to leave PRIVATE PROPERTY. He refused.

He was going to be forcibly ejected for being a punk. He tried to refuse.

They tazered his dumb *** for being said punk. He cried.

What part of this are you having difficulty understanding?

Your lame attempt at rationalizing is exactly that. Lame.

I agree that he should have gotten tazed, my point is they wont taze you just for not showing ID he got tazed because he resisted and mouthed off. There would have never have been a problem if he just said "Yes Sir." And let them escort him out. My only problem with the whole thing was how much he got tazed.

[Pneumagger]

I agree that he should have gotten tazed, my point is they wont taze you just for not showing ID he got tazed because he resisted and mouthed off. There would have never have been a problem if he just said "Yes Sir." And let them escort him out. My only problem with the whole thing was how much he got tazed.

I am in the same boat altimas... he deserved the first one... but the subsequent ones could be questionable. Although, in the police's defense, the student's attitude nor intentions changed after being tazed. And the cops were somewhat polite about warning him each time and giving him multiple opportunities to change his tune.

The point of a tazer is to either physically subdue a vagrant, or persuade him to willingly comply. The fact that this kid was not letting up cause he was on some sort of power trip puts the cops in the same situation where physically approaching him could be very risky and put many people in harms way. <--- And guess what device is used in a situation like that?
hint: starts with a "T" and ends in "aser"

You can't expect the cops to taser somebody to avoid a physical confrontation and end up having a physical confrontation with an even moreso resistent person. You also can't expect them to just walk away saying "We tried, oh well". If at first you don't succeed, try and try again.

The fact that kid was stubborn was the root of all his problems. Some people just need to learn some respect and humility for authority.

[lasrsktr]

I am in the same boat altimas... he deserved the first one... but the subsequent ones could be questionable. Although, in the police's defense, the student's attitude nor intentions changed after being tazed. And the cops were somewhat polite about warning him each time and giving him multiple opportunities to change his tune.

The point of a tazer is to either physically subdue a vagrant, or persuade him to willingly comply. The fact that this kid was not letting up cause he was on some sort of power trip puts the cops in the same situation where physically approaching him could be very risky and put many people in harms way. <--- And guess what device is used in a situation like that?
hint: starts with a "T" and ends in "aser"

You can't expect the cops to taser somebody to avoid a physical confrontation and end up having a physical confrontation with an even moreso resistent person. You also can't expect them to just walk away saying "We tried, oh well". If at first you don't succeed, try and try again.

The fact that kid was stubborn was the root of all his problems. Some people just need to learn some respect and humility for authority.

The only problem i have with the tasering his the amount of times it occurred. The whole point of a taser is to render someone unable to fight and or stun them for a period of time.

So with that being said the first one was warranted because he was trying to resist and cause a scene... The second and third were unneeded due to effects of the tasering..... After the first taser the police should have just picked him up and carried him out....


And the UCLA ID policy has been in place for several years and all students are made aware of the policy and to have their id on them at all times.

[Lohman446]

So with that being said the first one was warranted because he was trying to resist and cause a scene... The second and third were unneeded due to effects of the tasering..... After the first taser the police should have just picked him up and carried him out....

Ever have first hand experience with a taser? I mean, you would think this, but I don't think it does really render someone unable to fight if they are still willing.

I've seen people on COPs run after being tasered....

[beam]

Ever have first hand experience with a taser? I mean, you would think this, but I don't think it does really render someone unable to fight if they are still willing.

But Lohman....wikipedia SAYS it so it must be correct.

[koleah]

California law. When asked by law enforcement personnel to show ID, you must, or face arrest.


He didn't, and discovered the consequence of failing to comply with a Police officer.

Somewhat OT and ignorant question, but is there somewhere to find out laws like this in clear plain english? I'm sure its in legalese "in the books" somewhere, but a layman like myself has never heard of it before.

[Triangle]

[bentothejam1n]

bahhh whooopp

[punkncat]

The officers had every right to put their hands on his arm to escort him out. It's probably the lowest level of physical control, and causes no harm. The idiot himself decided to make a scene of it by shouting and carrying on, and brough the eventual tasering on himself. .

I really cannot speak intelligently on what rights an officer has to "reduce" a civilians rights and when. I do know that simply placing your hand on an officer constitutes battery. An officer can just short of rough up a civilian w/o being charged for assault or battery.

Not being there I cannot say what should have happened. IF the kid was moving along then he should have been escorted out w/o physical contact. What I suspect is that you had a group of highly uncomfortable officers trying to control a volatile situation and needed to show what some would consider undue force to get a handle on it before it escalated.

Smarting off or talking back to a cop like you might try and get away with your parents will always end up bad. Don't ask me how I know....