Windows Vista

[bornl33t]

I have been reading about the new vista beta 2 release. I'm finding alot of interesting information but nothing that sways me to either jump on the bandwagon or hate it. Without pitching the MAC OS or whatever Linux releases there are what does everyone think about the new VISTA? Good OR bad?

I'll start by posting that WMA's and AAC's suck because I will never use DRM's. (somewhat unrelated).
Secondly with VISTA as I see it hd-dvd piracy will be dead. Which I'm ok with.
Thirdly from what I've seen, the beta2 release is very buggy.

[bentothejam1n]

I have been reading about the new vista beta 2 release. I'm finding alot of interesting information but nothing that sways me to either jump on the bandwagon or hate it. Without pitching the MAC OS or whatever Linux releases there are what does everyone think about the new VISTA? Good OR bad?

I'll start by posting that WMA's and AAC's suck because I will never use DRM's. (somewhat unrelated).
Secondly with VISTA as I see it hd-dvd piracy will be dead. Which I'm ok with.
Thirdly from what I've seen, the beta2 release is very buggy.

i was just about to make a thread about this....

[bornl33t]

i was just about to make a thread about this....

seriously, I'm hearing alot of gosip about vista but no pros and cons. Maybe we'll hit a smart kid and we'll both learn some thing!

[jenarelJAM]

I too would like to know.

[thecavemankevin]

Thirdly from what I've seen, the beta2 release is very buggy.

rule of thumb, never be first to adopt new OS...wait for a year for bugs to be worked out.

as for vista: let me put it in annalogy formate: automag is to gas/air as windows vista is to

a: memory
b: processor
c: all the above

is sure is pretty though

[tribalman]

for now, i am going to say Vista is bad.
as far as the "most secure OS yet" as the MS guys are claiming, how can something that was built from the ground up, with no real world test other than that stupid event in vegas where people were given a crack at it (and a school teacher managed to find a glitch in it), how can it be secure? during the developement of it did they throw viruses and such at the OS? "Allchin said that the security measures that had been put in place meant that Microsoft was a way ahead of the black hat hackers seeking to exploit vulnerabilities. ""That's to be proven, so we will see about that. But I need to say the following: Windows Vista is something that will have issues in security, because the bar is being raised over time. But in my opinion, it is the most secure system that's available, and it's certainly the most secure system that we've shipped. So I feel very confident that customers are far better off by using Windows Vista than they are with anything that we've released before."" (http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/11...ed_anti-virus/)
and this next article is from november 06, so there is a chance that the problem has been fixed, but 2 weeks earlier a MS person says that vista doesn't need anti virus and then this article is posted. (http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/11...orks_on_vista/)

for the gamer or somebody who needs lots of processing power, bad idea also. it was orginally claimed that vista was going to allow 4-8GB of ram. then it became 4GB. now vista only has support for up to 2.75-3.25GB with higher support only quoted as on the horizon. also, there is only 32bit with 64 nowhere to be found.(http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/01..._64_not_ready/) and with all that aero and extra visual pazaaz weighing down the processor and taking up more ram, there isn't too much of an upgrade.

and don't forget that the new ipod killer, Zune, does NOT work with vista. great idea.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/11/15/Zune_incompatible_with_Vista/

and now there is this. http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/01...upgrade_discs/ to me. worst. idea. ever.

want me to continue?

[flyboy]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/57466/ten_reasons_why_you_should_not_buy.html?page=2

I usually wait a year or 2 before buying anything totally new from microsoft.

I've looked at vista and to me it's all fluff.

[thecavemankevin]

and don't forget that the new ipod killer, Zune, does NOT work with vista. great idea.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/11/15/Zune_incompatible_with_Vista/

tis been fixed, still not buying it, but this item is no longer an issue...except to laugh at the statement "ipod killer"

[bornl33t]

and now there is this. http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/01...upgrade_discs/ to me. worst. idea. ever.

That's REALLY lame. Windows xp takes a freaking hour to install. Then you have to install vista over it? AND if that wasn't bad enough I got to keep by 98cd too yet because vista won't install over 98. So unless I buy the 300$ vista cd I have to keep 3 cd's together and hope that none of them ever get scratech or broken even though one of them is already a decade old.

I'm assuming that MS will eventually release a 64bit version right? Or is that the promise for their next OS ?

The more I read about this the more Vista is starting to look like Windows ME.

[Circle]

That's REALLY lame. Windows xp takes a freaking hour to install. Then you have to install vista over it? AND if that wasn't bad enough I got to keep by 98cd too yet because vista won't install over 98. So unless I buy the 300$ vista cd I have to keep 3 cd's together and hope that none of them ever get scratech or broken even though one of them is already a decade old.

I'm assuming that MS will eventually release a 64bit version right? Or is that the promise for their next OS ?

The more I read about this the more Vista is starting to look like Windows ME.

Welcome to Microsoft.
I'll have a buddy register and post of what he thinks of it.
he's more computer-savvy than myself.

[Steelrat]

That's REALLY lame. Windows xp takes a freaking hour to install. Then you have to install vista over it? AND if that wasn't bad enough I got to keep by 98cd too yet because vista won't install over 98. So unless I buy the 300$ vista cd I have to keep 3 cd's together and hope that none of them ever get scratech or broken even though one of them is already a decade old.

I'm assuming that MS will eventually release a 64bit version right? Or is that the promise for their next OS ?

The more I read about this the more Vista is starting to look like Windows ME.

Why is this lame? It's a freaking upgrade. You want to be able to do a clean install? Buy the full OS. It's not like it's deceptive advertising, you're getting what you pay for.

I'm not surprised at the MS-bashing tilt this thread is taking (not directed at you bornl33t).

[CKY_Alliance]

That's REALLY lame. Windows xp takes a freaking hour to install. Then you have to install vista over it? AND if that wasn't bad enough I got to keep by 98cd too yet because vista won't install over 98. So unless I buy the 300$ vista cd I have to keep 3 cd's together and hope that none of them ever get scratech or broken even though one of them is already a decade old.

I'm assuming that MS will eventually release a 64bit version right? Or is that the promise for their next OS ?

The more I read about this the more Vista is starting to look like Windows ME.

I thought Vista was already for 64 bit processors only?

[geekwarrior]

Why is this lame? It's a freaking upgrade. You want to be able to do a clean install? Buy the full OS. It's not like it's deceptive advertising, you're getting what you pay for.

I'm not surprised at the MS-bashing tilt this thread is taking (not directed at you bornl33t).

so whats good about it?

[Steelrat]

so whats good about it?

I'm not here to shill for MS. I just hate the ridiculous bashing that occurs whenever MS puts out a product. Just go look at the reader reviews on Vista on CNet. People are bashing it, and it hasn't even been released to consumers (businesses only).

Some people like to be cool and anti-establishment, and so they attack MS any time they can. If someone puts their negatives up, I'll address them. Vista isn't perfect, but it's not the piece of crap the OS X and Linux fanbois make it out to be.

[Hexis]

Big ol OSX fan here. Love the mac!

I don't think there is anything unreasonable about requiring a previous version of the OS to be installed to be able to install an "upgrade" version of Vista. It is afterall, an upgrade. Perhaps they could streamline the process by just requiring a serial number from each version, but that would be pretty optimistic.