Windows Vista

[CKY_Alliance]

So what exactly is a clean install? Installing an OS with no other OS on the computer?

What are the benefits of a clean install?


ok I read about the whole loop hole for the upgrade disc, what are the differences in the upgrade and the retail version of windows?

Don't you have to pay for the upgrade..or is the "upgrade dvd" a free trial disc thing?



Anyone wanna explain this for me please..

[rkjunior303]

I consider a clean install wiping the partition entirely and totally starting from the scratch drive. Eliminates any chance of anything getting in the way and conflicting.

[bornl33t]

So basically windows vista is designed to make you buy everything.
We're established that music and HD video are going to be very secure (until someone sticks it to Hollywood) But in addition to get full functionality of your hardware you will have to buy ready made systems from a major distributor, like HP or Dell. (how is this different from a mac?)
In the last few years PC's have suffered from too much competition. Of course this is really good for the consumer as prices have come down. But with a 400$ OS prices are sure to rise and the local PC-builders are basically the way of the buffalo, because they can't make a deal with MS to sell 30,000 PC's with Vista on it.

The whole basis for PC's is their compatibility with a verity of vendors and software, something mac's are just getting started on. If my PC doesn't have it, just add it in. But vista doesn't support this at all. How is a PC any better then a mac now, especially with a sluggish resource hungry OS?

Taking everything into consideration, my conclusion is that vista sucks. I might try and skip this one like I skipped ME

[robnix]

ok I read about the whole loop hole for the upgrade disc, what are the differences in the upgrade and the retail version of windows?

$100.00. The contents of the disc are identical except for what the installer looks for at the beginning.

[punkncat]

So basically windows vista is designed to make you buy everything.

Microsoft has been on this track since SP2.

Any new updates that come out for XP require that you be updated to SP2. What is included with this is called "genuine advantage" or some suchanother....Meaning that to get updates for your OS you have to have a registered copy of Windows.

Now lets discuss that for a moment.
We have already touched on clean install. To me clean install is the do over button. When I get some bad virus or screw up installing some new hardware, make some incorrectable (to me) change to a computer that causes fatal crash...then I know enough to format the harddrive and start over with a clean install. A brand new windows on a clean computer.

So, once you format your harddrive, you have erased the partition that your Windows reinstall matching the license was. It doesn't matter that you couldn't access that partition due to *matter discussed in previous paragraph* the CD key on the side of your computer is crap. It doesn't matter that you have a disk with the EXACT SAME OS you had before. Because you didn't pay someone to fix what got screwed up by *matter discussed in previous paragraph* you now have to pay Microsoft for a license.

So you decide, "Screw Microsoft! Bill Gates could wipe his butt with $100,000 bills and not care. I won't update."

Well before long you will find that not only can you not update your media player, explorer, etc. but soon your certificate will run out. A perfectly good, capable computer, alibeit a bit "old" has become trash.


So now, in addition to this, Microsoft has decided to make moral decisions for the people who buy thier product. IF you choose to upgrade to Vista, and eventually many will have to, then you can no longer copy unlicensed music and video with the OS you paid for. Big Brother has decided thats "BAD".....

[skriptal]

Microsoft has been on this track since SP2.
So now, in addition to this, Microsoft has decided to make moral decisions for the people who buy thier product. IF you choose to upgrade to Vista, and eventually many will have to, then you can no longer copy unlicensed music and video with the OS you paid for. Big Brother has decided thats "BAD".....

Whoa! where did you hear that?

[punkncat]

Whoa! where did you hear that?

Read something on it that I cannot find to backup my claim. All I can say is it is reffered to by l33t "Secondly with VISTA as I see it hd-dvd piracy will be dead. Which I'm ok with." , but unsure whether he can remember where this was mentioned either.

Sorry have no links to back up my claim and therefore for now has to be vicious rumor.....

[bornl33t]

Read something on it that I cannot find to backup my claim. All I can say is it is reffered to by l33t "Secondly with VISTA as I see it hd-dvd piracy will be dead. Which I'm ok with." , but unsure whether he can remember where this was mentioned either.

Sorry have no links to back up my claim and therefore for now has to be vicious rumor.....

http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/hdcp-vista.ars

don't get me wrong, I don't care that I have to actually own the DVD or the CD, I already do, but I WILL rip any CD I own to put on ym player. And if I own the computer, the DVD and the OS I better be getting 1080P or whatever I paid for. I'm one of the few that uses a computer as a HTPC (home theater pc) and this whole vista with DRM and HDCP really makes my HTPC 2000$ pile of junk. I would be smart to just buy a dvr and a dvd player with a receiver.

I don't hate Capitalism, I just hate people making decisions for me.

[wjr]

Microsoft has been on this track since SP2.

So now, in addition to this, Microsoft has decided to make moral decisions for the people who buy thier product. IF you choose to upgrade to Vista, and eventually many will have to, then you can no longer copy unlicensed music and video with the OS you paid for. Big Brother has decided thats "BAD".....

Sounds like somebody just read 1984.

[punkncat]

Sounds like somebody just read 1984.

I read 1984 BEFORE 1984...but thanks.

/no kidde

[p8ntbal4me]

I thought Vista was already for 64 bit processors only?

Yeah... I found a link to the versions you can buy and the pro/office type one with all the stuff unlocked for big shots supported 64bit.

Thats sad that it doesnt if thats the case due that the gaming community is HUGE and all the more reason to buy a platform that rides on the machine your using mostly now has PCI-E and its already pushing the 64bit envelope.

Im not getting it yet,... it sounds like a bandaid fix like WinME was. I wouldnt give that OS out as freeware. Such a horrible OS. MS made their mark with Win2k as being ME friendly but NT workable. By far their best OS IMHO. I use XP Pro and its nice,.. just not getting the warm fuzzies of Win2k though,.... I would take that over XP anyday.

[sbpyro]

boy this makes me definately want to upgrade now

http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/31/best_buy_geeksquad_vistaproblems/

So if you are not patient during the install vista could possible break your hard drive.
joy joy.

I have a feeling the gaming community ain't all jumping over to vista soon. At least not until direct X 10 is standard in all the latest games.

[personman]

punkncat, that claim is total BS. I've reinstalled windows on MANY computers that have the licence sticker using the key on it. I even used a burnt copy of XP to do it and it worked fine. The only thing (which is just an annoyance) is that most of the computers I've done it on have required me to call up microsoft to activate the installation, as opposed to using the genuine windows activation tool or whatever. They don't really ask any questions, they just make sure that your machine is the only one running that particular key.
Stop spreading unfounded rumors.

Back on topic, my friend got vista and he is obsessing about it and saying its the greatest thing ever... I guess I'll get it when I get my laptop for college but for now XP is fine with me. The one thing I'm looking forward to is DX10. Everything else is just fluff. Vista is microsoft's way of keeping up with OSX; they put in a bunch of random crap to make it more visually appealing even though it serves very little purpose. At least vista will be compatible with stuff

[punkncat]

punkncat, that claim is total BS. I've reinstalled windows on MANY computers that have the licence sticker using the key on it. I even used a burnt copy of XP to do it and it worked fine. The only thing (which is just an annoyance) is that most of the computers I've done it on have required me to call up microsoft to activate the installation, as opposed to using the genuine windows activation tool or whatever. They don't really ask any questions, they just make sure that your machine is the only one running that particular key.
Stop spreading unfounded rumors.

I see you live in Atlanta. I am south of there in McDonough. Feel free to allow me to pay your gas expense and cook you dinner to come fix them using my "sticker" key code. I would greatly appreciate your company, your time, and allowing you to prove me wrong. I don't believe you can.

[personman]

I see you live in Atlanta. I am south of there in McDonough. Feel free to allow me to pay your gas expense and cook you dinner to come fix them using my "sticker" key code. I would greatly appreciate your company, your time, and allowing you to prove me wrong. I don't believe you can.

I would, except I really dont care that much if you think I'm right or not. I'm just telling you my personal experiences.
I'm not about to drive an hour just to prove I can install windows on a computer