Assault Weapons Ban, It's Back

[nippinout]

im a gun lover myself but i dont think anyone really needs a assault rifle, like were you americans actually allowed to hunt with them down there?

Assault rifle is a misnomer.

Your everyday AR-15 is not capable of any mode of fire beyond semi-automatic.

The 5.56 is very popular for varmint hunting and competition shooting. The AR-15 and its variants are just 'scary' looking. The original assault weapons ban was entirely superficial. It did not restrict sales based upon anything but aesthetics. If it looked 'scary,' it got banned.

When the ban finally sunset, the streets were running with the blood of innocent children, right?

[PumpPlayer]

I like the pistols section where they ban all front-loaders with no exceptions.

FWIW, well over 50% of the "world-class" sporting pistols in use in various ISSF and Olympic disciplines are front-loaders. They only hold 5 rounds of .22 or .32 ammo but holy crap it's a front-loader!

[PyRo]

im a gun lover myself but i dont think anyone really needs a assault rifle, like were you americans actually allowed to hunt with them down there?

It's not a matter of needing it. We have a right to own them. The previous ban was pointless. It banned bayonet lugs for gods sake. Who has ever committed a crime in the US with a bayonet affixed to their weapon?



Oh, and what about competition shooting...

[Army]

im a gun lover myself but i dont think anyone really needs a assault rifle, like were you americans actually allowed to hunt with them down there?

AR15's launch a .224" diameter bullet. The Remington M700 bolt action hunting rifle can also launch a .224" diameter bullet. Can any rabbit actually tell the difference upon impact?

The launch platform makes no difference to the function of the bullet, nor the intention of the shooter.

Using your analogy: I like to swim, but nobody needs a swimming pool in the backyard to cool off. After all, many hundreds more children die in America from drowning, than accidental gunshots.

BTW, the firearms banned, are used in less than 10% of 1% of all firearms related crime in America.......................some crisis, huh?

[cyrus-the-virus]

No no one needs a "assult rifle", but then again no one needs a repeaster anyhow, I'm waiting for the man to ban any weapon the holds more than one cartrage.

If someone wanted a automatic rifle, they would get one. If you can poke your nose into the drug industry you can find someone with illeagle weapons.

[wjr]

Edit: I'm sorry. I didn't read the posts before me...

Why is it that so many supporters of this kind of gun control do no one take fifteen minutes to educate themselves that the perpetrated assault weapons they want banned are semi-automatic, not automatic.

In my post I really didn't take one side or the other. I just didn't know that people hunted with what I though was a fully automatic weapon, and I didn't understand Armies analogy. That was all.

I really haven't taken one side or the other in the gun control debate. I can see where both sides are coming from.

[Army]

Umm... you mean to say that you shoot bunnies with an automatic assault weapon?

I'll admit that I don't know much about gun laws, but I'm pretty sure that's illegal.

And, does anyone else see something wrong with that analogy? I'm not so much following your train of thought there.

Obviously, you are not paying attention.

The AWB is ignorantly, yet purposely misnamed to get the most impact from people that know no better. An assault weapon MUST have the capability to fire, on demand, a small or medium power munition at fully automatic mode. Fully automatic means the weapon will continue to fire as long as the trigger is held back, or the feeding device holds ammunition.

The AWB does NOT control or address ANY actual "assault weapons".

The AWB does NOTHING about crime. It only stops LAW ABIDING CITIZENS from enjoying and exercising their Constitutional rights. Criminals, by their very nature, have no compunction to follow any law, which leaves the AWB to ONLY affect you and me. The USSC ruled back in the 60's (State vs Hayes), that felons are under no obligation to register any firearm they possess....because they are, by law, not allowed to possess any firearms. That would, ironically, violate their 5th Amendment right to not self incriminate.

Are you seeing the light yet?

Full auto weapons (REAL machine guns and assault weapons) have been regulated since 1934, requiring the application and payment of a tax to own or possess a FA weapon. FA weapons can easily run from the low $10,000, to well above a few million dollars to own....weapon of choice of criminals? Not hardly. Yes, normal law abiding US citizens can own and possess full auto weapons. The crime rate with legal FA weaponry? Two actual crimes, and two crimes committed by a FA owner, but no indication of any weapons used. If you are counting, that's only 4 since 1934, with many thousands of FA owners and weapons.

The swimming pool analogy shows that swimming pools are almost 10 times more dangerous than guns for children under 14 (CDC figures)...yet there is no legislation or outcry to stop their deadly use by anyone, even criminals.

I hunt with my AR15's. As an avid varmint shooter, I have built all my rifles as varmint guns. My AR's are no different is use or application. The bullet does not care where it came from, and the ground squirrels are too stupid to notice.

Hunting is the art form, not the implements used.

[PyRo]

Umm... you mean to say that you shoot bunnies with an automatic assault weapon?

I'll admit that I don't know much about gun laws, but I'm pretty sure that's illegal.

And, does anyone else see something wrong with that analogy? I'm not so much following your train of thought there.

Why is it that so many supporters of this kind of gun control do no one take fifteen minutes to educate themselves that the perpetrated assault weapons they want banned are semi-automatic, not automatic.

We need to start having a gun week in schools. Start with kindergarten educate them about guns and basic handling and safety. First or second grade take a class trip to a range and let them shoot some .22 short rounds from some single shot rifles. I bet that would save more lives by creating responsible educated gun owners then gun control ever has.

[CoolHand]

The one thing that baffles me most (and the one which I sinkingly suspect will be our undoing) is how so many people ask the question "Why do you NEED to do X?" when told that the federal government intends to ban "X" activity.

The point is not that you need to do it. The point is that you have a right to do so if you choose. The rights granted to us in the constitution are not conditional upon demonstration of a NEED. They exist and we may exercise them or not, at our own discretion. End of story.

If you people (speaking to those who rationalize the taking of freedoms) do nothing at all while the people in power slowly whittle away at your ability to do anything at all without first asking them permission to do so, you will wake up one day and suddenly realize that you simply have NO freedoms left.

Remember one simple thing and you will do well when dealing with any government - The government does NOT have your best interest in mind. It serves only one master: Itself.

[CRog075]

So when do they vote on this bill, or has it been voted on?

I was about to buy a Bushmaster XM-15 in about a month.

[PyRo]

So when do they vote on this bill, or has it been voted on?

I was about to buy a Bushmaster XM-15 in about a month.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1022

It won't go through. The democrats know that passing that will cost them congress just like it did last time. Expect something much less restrictive to go through though. Then something else and so on until they slowly implement this bill over a ten to twenty year time frame.

[Recon by Fire]

No no one needs a "assult rifle"

Just what is an assault weapon? To many people think of fully automatic weapons when this term is used, those are not the weapons being banned here.

Good thing we have the Home Shopping Network:

HSN AK-47

[Mind'sEye]

I bought an MAK90 in 1992 before they went on the federal ban list. I've had to register it with California DOJ in compliance with the CA "assault weapons" ban regulations. I don't really need it or the six 30rd magazines and 75rd drum either. Over the years I've taken this beast into our local national forest many times (with a 5rd magazine) and fired it in a designated target shooting area. It has provided me with many hours of pleasure along with my Dan Wesson .357 and my Colt Anaconda .44 magnum. I am not doing any harm to anyone so I don't feel the need to justify my enjoyment. I'm not interested in being noble, "socially conscious" or politically correct every minute of my otherwise thoroughly middle class life. I just happen to enjoy blasting away at targets and tin cans with loud guns.

[PyRo]

Click here for Gun Grabbing Poll

I'm sure most of you know about the Brady's and their Assault Weapons ban and other rabid gun hating legislation.

This is a quick 5 question poll.

Spread the link around, and help screw with their data. (Not that they pay attention to data anyway)

But why make anything easy for the bastards?

[cyrus-the-virus]

I been warning you for a couple of months now.

Tragicaly the myth that keeps being portrayed in these whole things is that these do not have "Sporting purposes". Which indeed they do, but thats not the point. The Second Amendment does not protect Sporting. Thats not its purpose. The hope here by the proponents of this ban is that people will assume that the only real reason to have a gun is to Hunt. Which is in fact, not a right. It is a priveladge. The Second amendment is about owning a gun to protect yourself from others and against tyranny. Which these people wish to remove.

They don't wan us "little people" to be able to defend ourselfs when the chinese invade.