Va Tech shootings

[Ole Unka Phil]

Shootings and deaths at Va Tech

22 dead and 21 wounded....

Va Tech has a no gun on campus policy.

HB 1572, which would have allowed handguns on college campuses, died in subcommittee.
By Greg Esposito 381-1675

A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.

The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill's defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

Del. Dave Nutter, R-Christiansburg, would not comment Monday because he was not part of the subcommittee that discussed the bill.

Most universities in Virginia require students and employees, other than police, to check their guns with police or campus security upon entering campus. The legislation was designed to prohibit public universities from making "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun."

The legislation allowed for exceptions for participants in athletic events, storage of guns in residence halls and military training programs.

Last spring a Virginia Tech student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit. Some gun owners questioned the university's authority, while the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus.

In June, Tech's governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities.


I guess this policy works eh? So we had 26,000 known potential victims unarmed....

Sad day. I bet this will bring on cries of more gun legislation that only the Victims will comply with.

[beam]

No doubt, a sad day.

[thecavemankevin]

got friends there, friends with family there. Tis a sad and very anxious day awaiting to hear about from my friends to see if they're ok.

[zt10]

qft phil...could have drastically decreased the death toll.....sad that this will have the opposite effect and probably make firearms even more difficult to obtain for the rest of us. especially us college students.

[Gitaroo Man]

qft phil...could have drastically decreased the death toll.....sad that this will have the opposite effect and probably make firearms even more difficult to obtain for the rest of us. especially us college students.

i seriously doubt that there would have been that many kids carry guns around the shooter and ones that were willing to actually stop him.

[Ole Unka Phil]

i seriously doubt that there would have been that many kids carry guns around the shooter and ones that were willing to actually stop him.

It only takes one... and they were denied that right.

[trevorjk]

at the moment they are now reported 32 dead and the number is for sure going to climb they say

[geekwarrior]

SKY NEWS: Witnesses said he was heavily armed and entered the college looking for his girlfriend... He reportedly lined up students and opened fire at them. He was said to be a young Asian...


any word on what kinda gun he used?

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One of my friends had to run, he already facedbook messaged all of us, pray for all those injured. I'm an EMT, I wish I could be there helping.

[Ole Unka Phil]

SKY NEWS: Witnesses said he was heavily armed and entered the college looking for his girlfriend... He reportedly lined up students and opened fire at them. He was said to be a young Asian...


any word on what kinda gun he used?

the rumor is 9mm handguns of some sort. One reports a 9mm and a .22.

I don't know if the "lined up students" rumor has much merit.

Reportedly two shot at dorm (girlfriend?)

Two hours later random walking shooting started and was reported across campus in Classroom building. This is where he was either shot or took his own life and most of the the fatalities occured.

Many students report believing (I guess to be expected) that after the first shooting so much time had passed they all thought it was over. And this is when the real killing started. Also reports he had many Magazines strapped to him and he held two guns. Most likely pistols and again... they said 9mm and one said a .22 as well

Thats all speculative at this point though.

Reports of Asian decent may be confusion as there was one man taken into custody and later released that fits this description. However it may be that he just fit a description of the real Perp too. So that has to be sorted out.

[geekwarrior]

the rumor is 9mm handguns of some sort. One reports a 9mm and a .22.

wow...how did he manage to kill that many people with handguns? and if they happened hours apart, and they never had the first gunman....

[Ole Unka Phil]

He reportedly had many magazines. But also remember thats only like 50 rounds needed to do all this. 31 dead and 20 injured can be done with less than 50 bullets. Not that many at all. Can carry that in your pockets.

Yea... two hours apart. And no... the had no idea who it was at the time from the first ones. Problem is going to be what was done during that time to alert and keep students under lock down. Reports vary as to if and when that occured. Somebody might have screwed up... we will have to wait and see how it all pans out. Until then we will just have to give them the benefit of the doubt that they just did not know... And remember that the person pulling the trigger is to blame after all.

[geekwarrior]

He reportedly had many magazines.

Yea... two hours apart. And no... the had no idea who it was at the time from the first ones. Problem is going to be what was done during that time to alert and keep students under lock down. Reports vary as to if and when that occured. Somebody might have screwed up... we will have to wait and see how it all pans out. Until then we will just have to give them the benefit of the doubt that they just did not know... And remember that the person pulling the trigger is to blame after all.

as predicted....poll in the middle of the page

gun control

[txaggie08]

Prayers and support from Texas A&M tonight.....we understand tragedies all to well. I hope no-one else is hurt....

[Ole Unka Phil]

A related account....


Nikolas Macko was in a mathematics class in Norris Hall when they heard a series of loud bangs in the hallway which prompted a female student sitting near the door to move to close it.

"She peeked out into the hallway, and saw the shooter, so she immediately closed the door. Three other students moved a table that was in front of the room - it seats approximately 40 students at capacity - and barricaded it against the door.

"A few seconds later, the shooter tried to open the door, but my classmates kept it well shut, as they held the table against it from floor level.

"The shooter shot the door twice at chest level, which resulted in two holes in the door, one of which hit the podium in the front of the class room and the other continued out the window. At this point he reloaded, shot the door again - this shot did not penetrate - and moved on to the other classrooms," Mr Macko added.