Let's say I break into your house....

[Pneumagger]

Is it right for you to deny me entrance to it? Especially if I say I want to build onto it, and make it better for both of us to share?

Legally, yes. If you own the house and property you should be free to excercise the rules you set forth under it's roof. Otherwise there is no incentive to better yourself in the world to attain positions of ownership.

At your job, if you knew you couldn't be fired and would always have that weekly paycheck coming would you work hard or just sit around and play solitaire on the computer until payday. Hmmm, tough choice.

The fact remains, the citizen of the US "own" the land, and if they don't want squatters they can do what they please. I realize the humane thing to do is share, and the US does that openly. Go through natraulization, show you want to be a constuctive part of the society within the bounds of the law, and come enjoy the freedom america grants you.

Not trying to flame Lohman, but go break into a nearby vacant apartment or house and start restoring it. When the owner comes along to kick you out and arrests you, see what happens when you try to explain you were "working" on it and all.

/please note: I do not advocate shooting them - but I find the protests against stricter border control and deportating more illegal aliens absolutly sickening.

[Lohman446]

Deserted island and such... strength = right.

I was really just trying to put it in terms. I agree that protests to be sickening, and there to be an issue, but there is some concept of understanding why one would try it.

[teufelhunden]

I think most people understand why there is a mass emigration to the US from areas south, both legally and illegally, but that doesn't change the nitty gritty. It'd be great if we could build 4br/2.5 baths for everybody everywhere, but just like a Fortune 500 corporation or a high net worth individual, we got here by working hard and not wasting stuff [well, yeah.]. And many of those entities/people donate some of their proceeds to charitable organizations, but that's their choice. America as a whole is not being given a choice here. I'm sure plenty of people would like to make everything peachy and happy everywhere in the world but how many are willing to give up what they have for "equality." I doubt very few.

Lohman, your argument is sounding more and more like the tenets of socialism; I truly hope that's not an idea that's growing rapidly against those like yourself whom I'd generally consider to be moderate [especially given your weapons and such ]. A dangerous path to crawl down.

It's no secret that we're the richest in the world and it's not because of socialism. Look at the French. Generally a socialist country, very liberal, 35h workweek. Economically suffering. Hard. And as a result, they just elected a hardline conservative and the party is poised to win an absolute majority in their parliament. It's been shown time and again, through various means [generally the failure of other options] that capitalism is the system that's the best all around. Hell, even our poor are fat and watching the Sopranos series finale.

Sooooooo, I think I may've gotten... off point. But, regardless, giving unto another [country's citizens] is not the solution to the problem, which is government corruption and lagging technology causing poverty in much of south and central America. There's a hell of a better solution than giving them free passes to America [must be 48" to ride]. This global economy requires countries to keep up both for their own survival and for the survival of other countries. I'd much rather see the money be spent on education and training for those south of here than giving them free food, drugs, and a government subsidized apartment.

[paintballfiend]

Illegal immigrants would make great citizerns since they already live in fear of our government.

[Tac-OneFun]

To the house analogy.

Lets say we are on a deserted island. You build some great house - a mansion with every amenety a person could want for. You consume about 90% of the islands reasources to do it and maintain it. The resources you waste could double for my meal. I come into the house, rest in the AC, do productive work around the house, hey, I even helped you build it.

Is it right for you to deny me entrance to it? Especially if I say I want to build onto it, and make it better for both of us to share?

definitely NOT one of your 6 useful posts

[Papa_Smurf]

To the house analogy.

Lets say we are on a deserted island. You build some great house - a mansion with every amenety a person could want for. You consume about 90% of the islands reasources to do it and maintain it. The resources you waste could double for my meal. I come into the house, rest in the AC, do productive work around the house, hey, I even helped you build it.

Is it right for you to deny me entrance to it? Especially if I say I want to build onto it, and make it better for both of us to share?

who paid to have it built initially?
me.
get your punk a** out my house.

[paintballfiend]

who paid to have it built initially?
me.
get your punk a** out my house.

Slaves did actually.

[AmyM]

just what I need...

I like the idea of people being able to cross our border illegally. Those people need jobs, good jobs that they don't have in Mexico. Hmm... why don't they have good jobs, and a better life in Mexico? Oh, who cares... let's give them food-stamps when they are hungry. Let's share our wealth, and provide free medical care for them. If I hear that senator say "Let's share" something one more time...

Really, can some of them just admit they are socialists. I know a lot of people in this country would vote for them, and they would feel better about who they are if they would just go ahead, and admit it...

Anyway, let's not be mean to the people crossing the border to make a better life for their family. Come on, we know that is all they want. We should let 'em all across. Remember, none of those passing illegally over our borders could possibly be OTM terrorists....

That's why we don't need border security, border protection, border fences, border guards, or national sovereignty. VOTE DEMOCRAT TODAY! Don't believe the hype about national security. It's all a bunch of nonsense. No one wants to hurt America.

Oh, and don't forget to shaft those LEGAL IMMIGRANTS who respected our laws, by giving millions of criminals citizenship... it's the new American way! Can you believe they were actually dumb enough to go through that lengthy process of obtaining U.S. citizenship legally?

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Anyone ever play that game Civilization? Did you ever win without creating military units to protect the cities? I tried, and these "fantastic" people kept coming over. They would kill my people, steal my cities, my technology, my resources, and crush my way of life.

[trevorjk]

Anyone ever play that game Civilization? Did you ever win without creating military units to protect the cities? I tried, and these "fantastic" people kept coming over. They would kill my people, steal my cities, my technology, my resources, and crush my way of life.

well Amy, i have won that way before

infact i got all the technology and resources and traded it to my brother for protection needless to say, we kicked arse

[iambored]

Why is it that everyone says "well they're working for us." If they are working for us for their ability to remain here, then maybe someone should explain why that matters if they feed off of our welfare system without putting in. Oh, and lets not forget that anyone with enough perseverance can become an American citizen. So why should I make it easy on them and let them stay illegally.
They broke the rules, not me or you, they did. Our actions are no where near as unethical as someone who knows the rules and breaks them anyway because they are lazy, etc.

[Jonneh]

:words:

Anyone ever play that game Civilization? Did you ever win without creating military units to protect the cities? I tried, and these "fantastic" people kept coming over. They would kill my people, steal my cities, my technology, my resources, and crush my way of life.

Cultural victories are always the sweetest victories.

[Raven001]

Legally, yes. If you own the house and property you should be free to excercise the rules you set forth under it's roof. Otherwise there is no incentive to better yourself in the world to attain positions of ownership.

Just remember that this house you now own was originally built and owned by someone else and that your pox infested ancestors stole it and killed to take it from them.

But seriously, I think the whole immigration debate now going on down there is just a ruse to distract the american puplic. The war is not going the way the Neo's thought it would and it is peeving off their conservitive supporters. America is continually being made in and owned by China. That's just gotta to suck an overinflated ego dry. You need somthing to rally the people around and nothing works quite like looking down the end of your nose at someone not quite as white as you. I mean frig, they don't even speak hinglish..

peace

[Lohman446]

Just remember that this house you now own was originally built and owned by someone else and that your pox infested ancestors stole it and killed to take it from them.

But seriously, I think the whole immigration debate now going on down there is just a ruse to distract the american puplic. The war is not going the way the Neo's thought it would and it is peeving off their conservitive supporters. America is continually being made in and owned by China. That's just gotta to suck an overinflated ego dry. You need somthing to rally the people around and nothing works quite like looking down the end of your nose at someone not quite as white as you. I mean frig, they don't even speak hinglish..

peace

I think you're "negative" view of Americans in general is alarming, and you should not be speaking about "looking down your nose" to anyone.

[Raven001]

I think your taking it a little to serious (my comments). Still, sometimes it is useful to see yourself as others see you.

[Lohman446]

I think your taking it a little to serious (my comments). Still, sometimes it is useful to see yourself as others see you.

Maybe there is a reason we keep a big army