1100 PSI into X Valve- no rapidfire?

[wjesse]

Hi All,

This is my first post so please be patient. I have had a Minimag since it was new in 1995. Recently I dropped in an X valve and put it on a Ninja SHP regulator to hopefully get the rapid fire bounce out of it. It bounces, but no rapid fire. I am thinking of asking Ninja to build me a 1400 PST output reg to try to get this thing ripping. Is that a good idea? Or, should I bag the idea of going RT and try my luck with ULT instead. My goal is to duke it out with modern markers but do it with a 21 year old relic! I hope this all made sense. Any advice- especially if you have had this issue, is greatly appreciated.

Best,

Jesse

[nak81783]

Run air line directly to valve. Might have to change on/off pin length. Might have to change trigger rod length. I think it's harder to RT with a normal sear.

Unsolicited opinion: Don't RT. A semi Automag is plenty competitive as is.

[captian pinky]

oil it before every day of play just a couple of drops and shoot it. There is a break in period for the orings.

The pin length should be fine from the factory and 1,100psi is more than enough. just go and play with it.

[wjesse]

Thanks for the tips. Things I have already tried already are changing the length of the trigger rod, changing out the sear (to a newer stock one), buying a shorter on/off stem (.740) from AGD on swapping it out, shimming the level 10 (with 5 shims it rapid fires sporadically, but not in a good way), and shooting it about 800 times with lots of oil.

If there won't rapid fire right away do they sometimes break in and slowly start to rapid fire once the o-rings are settled in? Would even higher pressure get it going sooner?

I am leaning toward a ULE trigger at this point anyways. But, I would love to know why I can't get the RT out of it in the meantime.

Thanks
Jesse

[blackdeath1k]

My classic RT has ran everything bone stock except the trigger frame and never had an issue with that since the late 90s. 0.744 on off pin has given plenty of RT effect with an incoming pressure of 950psi. Only time I've noticed a rt issue is if I discover the bolt/valve alignment is a hair off causing drag. I've also never wanted runaway rt. I prefer actual control. As far as competing with modern markers. That's more in the player than marker. Firing speed just gives you prestige from the inexperienced players off the field.

[wjesse]

So I went ahead and ordered the ULT kit tonight. I thought "full auto" would be fun, but it's not very practical. I'm excited to see if I like this any more.

Since the ULT doesn't "bounce", does it matter that I'm running 1100 psi anymore, does that benefit anything else?

Thanks

[Nobody]

Damn, you guys are missing the obvious....

Single trigger frames are harder to sweet spot, i.e. get that bounce trigger; than a double trigger. Its all a matter of leverage. You can play with the on/off pin length. Shorter will get more reactivity. I find a .720 pin to be fine for my guns and tanks.

You do not need to change the trigger rod length. It should be a credit card length away from the back of the trigger.

[wjesse]

I thought the same thing but I pressed that trigger every way I could imagine and never once got a hint of more than one shot. Maybe I should file my on off pin down more? Did you use that .720 pin on a standard mag or was it an RT?

[Nobody]

The pin is for my Xvalve & Emag valve.

Use a set of digital calipers and do small increments when taking it down. Even shortening it, then putting it in the gun and test firing it and see what you got.

[blackdeath1k]

Ha-ha nobody! To true. The single trigger frame murders the bounce. Wasn't even thinking about that since autocockers are the only markers I ever use with a single trigger.

[wjesse]

Is there a grip that will accept my rosewood handles with a double trigger that still has a trigger guard?

[Nobody]

Is there a grip that will accept my rosewood handles with a double trigger that still has a trigger guard?

Negative.

[wjesse]

I just bought and installed the Ultra Light Trigger. The trigger feels a little lighter but it still has the reactive push back- I thought that went away with this mod? It also chuffs way more- is that normal or can that be adjusted out through shims or something? Does anyone sell a pre-modded drilled sear for a Minimag? I heard that can help with chuffing.

What I really want is the rapid fire- has anyone gotten this reliably working with the ULT installed?

Thanks!

[blackdeath1k]

The chuffing is generally from short stroking the trigger. That is self inflicted. Unless the ult isn't tuned right. As far as reactive rapid fire. I recommend a 2 finger trigger. I frame or one of the many non agd 2 finger trigger frames.

[wjesse]

I bought a double trigger with a cut carbon fiber stock mag frame from eBay and should be getting it any day now.

If that doesn't work, is there a chance that I still need more than 1100 psi to rapid fire this? I see minimags online that rail on a single trigger?