RT PRO with level 10 chopping paint

[vintage]

way back in the day it was not uncommon at all. now days I don't get to play enough to know. I do know that the Valken we used at Tuna ball this year bounced a lot like we used to get back in the 90's. but hard paint should be harder to break in the gun.

[Mondoatx]

vintage,

It is the gold spring. It looks like a spring ;-)

What do you mean exactly when you say "how does it look"?

Thanks,

mondoatx

[vintage]

does it stick past the end of the bolt and how far? you may need a new one. and welcome to the forum by the way.

[Mondoatx]

Vintage,

Thanks.

Yes, the spring sticks out past the bolt.

Here is an image:

bolt with spring.jpg

[Beemer]

Is that an illusion because of the angle of the picture or is that bolt stem off center?

[vintage]

spring looks a little short to me. i'm sure a more knowledgeable person will chime in.

[Mondoatx]

Is that an illusion because of the angle of the picture or is that bolt stem off center?

It is the angle... The stem of he bolt is centered.

[Sandman]

Mondoatx,

Paintball breakage is the most common and most misdiagnosed problem in paintball. The issue is the problem can stem from paintball quality all the way to gun malfunctions. You have to eliminate issues one at a time so you can narrow it down.
Paint is relatively easy. Do a simple bounce test. While not terribly scientific, it says a lot about the paintball. Simply hold the ball at shoulder height and drop it on a smooth flat hard surface like a garage or basement floor. On the average you'll be dropping from 5 ft. If that ball bounces at least once before breaking...its most likely not the paint. Be sure to test several balls from a couple bags to get the best sample. If the paint breaks every time you drop it... consider the paint is very brittle and may be the issue.

Detents. Detents are the second most common paint problem. It's simple to test. Put your hopper on with paintballs in it at least half full. Turn your hopper on. Let the loader cycle until it shuts off and sets up the gun ready to shoot. Now remove your barrel. If the hopper turns on and paint starts to stream out the front of your body, then the detent is not working. This means the gun will load more than one paintball in your barrel and that's a sure bet to break paint.

The Gun. Before messing with levels 10's and making changes, you bought the gun used. When was the last time the entire gun was service? If you have no idea, then service the entire gun. That means a complete soft o-ring change out across the entire gun along with a serious detailed cleaning. Once that's done you can reset the level 10 and in most cases if you've done all that I've said here, you will already be done. The gun will not break paint if it is serviced and functioning properly.

If the gun somehow continues to break paint after doing all of the above, then most likely then gun is also just not shooting properly. In other words there is something seriously out of spec and the gun just won't shoot right no matter what you do.
At that point send the gun into the Factory or Tuna or turn it over to someone who has spare parts and components that can determine the out of spec issue.

[Mondoatx]

Sandman,

Thanks I will check the paint and the detents.

Regarding servicing the gun... couple of questions (more than a couple I guess):
-When you say "soft" o-ring change... what exactly does that NOT include?
-I can wipe down the gun and the internals and re-oil everything... does that suffice in terms of cleaning, or am I missing something? Am I just looking to remove grime?
-How do I "reset" the level 10?
-I saw the replacement carrier piece for sale on the AGD site... I thought I needed multiple sizes to see which one fit the best... but I only saw 1 on the site.
-Do I need to order shims for the power tube or a new spring for the bolt?

Thanks for all the information.

Mondoatx

[Nobody]

Sandman,

Thanks I will check the paint and the detents.

Regarding servicing the gun... couple of questions (more than a couple I guess)

The more questions you ask, the more you can and will learn, so never think a question is too stupid to ask.

-When you say "soft" o-ring change... what exactly does that NOT include?

This can mean 2 things: 1) replacing all the orings that are actually soft and gummy or 2) replacing all the orings that are in moving areas to better seal against those parts.

-I can wipe down the gun and the internals and re-oil everything... does that suffice in terms of cleaning, or am I missing something? Am I just looking to remove grime?

No, that is pretty much how you clean then gun. You do not have to pre-oil it, as you can assemble the gun but put 3-5 xrops of oil into the ASA or directly into the air input valve then airing the gun up and shooting out the excess. This will get the oil to where its needed.

-How do I "reset" the level 10?

After the gun has been serviced (see above), you then re-install the L10, using the smallest carrier and shims (if needed).

-I saw the replacement carrier piece for sale on the AGD site... I thought I needed multiple sizes to see which one fit the best... but I only saw 1 on the site.

You can order specific sizes. I believe you can order the specific sizes (after determing which one you have).

-Do I need to order shims for the power tube or a new spring for the bolt?

That depends on if you do the work yourself or if you send it to AGD or Tuna. They will use appropriate size sizes and parts.

Thanks for all the information.

Mondoatx

I do understand wanting to fix this yourself (getting into the gun, understanding how it works and how the parts interact with each other) or just sending it away to those that can fix it and get any possible problems fixed quickly. So you have a choice.

Also, if you do order your parts through Tuna, you can tell him exactly what you need and what you are doing and he will sell you exactly what you need.

[Mondoatx]

I sent Tuna an email. He said he could service the gun and tune the bolt for me, so I think I am going to send it to him. I will be sure to let everyone know how things turn out. Thanks for your help up to this point.

mondoatx

[Tunaman]

I sent Tuna an email. He said he could service the gun and tune the bolt for me, so I think I am going to send it to him. I will be sure to let everyone know how things turn out. Thanks for your help up to this point.

mondoatx

Yes. Send it here and I will get you going.

[halB]

I sent Tuna an email. He said he could service the gun and tune the bolt for me, so I think I am going to send it to him. I will be sure to let everyone know how things turn out. Thanks for your help up to this point.

mondoatx

Tuna is the man for these sorts of things. It sounds like he already has your business, but I can never recommend him enough. Tuna is one of the pillars of the Automag community.

[Cyco-Dude]

I am using an old school revolution hopper

come on dude, those only do 10 bps max. get a spire or rotor on that thing.

[Mondoatx]

Agreed... the gun is a recent addition... will be getting a more appropriate hopper soon ;-)