Twist lock , freak boring

[maniacmechanic]

I've got a couple crown point twist locks I'd like to freak IF possible
Can it be done ?
Who can do it ??

[tucson.az.jbreen]

Doc has told me he can bore cocker threaded barrels for freak inserts. Perhaps he has the set up to do twist lock barrels?

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?273946-Doc-s-New-Ultrashort-Ultralight-quot-Tanto-quot-Freak-Barrel

Post in that thread or find him in that thread to pm him.

I also am interested in this.

I do not know for certain, but if it's a one piece barrel significantly longer than the inserts, would the barrels original diameter limit the largest size insert you could use?

For example if the barrel is .686, you might have trouble using the .691 or .693 inserts and paint?

Anyone know?

Jim

[captian pinky]

twistlock freak boring is done by cutting the front boring and threading for a tip. It is not done like a standard threaded back.

[Nobody]

Most people won't touch twistlocks to freak bore. The best you could do is, have the crown points cocker threaded then use a that with a twistlock adapter or just as a stand alone barrel. Which could possibly be freak bored (which you would have to see if there is enough meat to handle the insert).

But i just dont know why people continue to use twistlocks anymore. Yes TK made them and while the idea behind them is good, the plethora of cocker bodies, not to mention the weight savings alone.

Come on people, come join the 21st century

[maniacmechanic]

Most people won't touch twistlocks to freak bore. The best you could do is, have the crown points cocker threaded then use a that with a twistlock adapter or just as a stand alone barrel. Which could possibly be freak bored (which you would have to see if there is enough meat to handle the insert).

But i just dont know why people continue to use twistlocks anymore. Yes TK made them and while the idea behind them is good, the plethora of cocker bodies, not to mention the weight savings alone.

Come on people, come join the 21st century

because I was stupid enough to sell my TL adpt , and I want to build a Q loaded Mag again , for Mag Fed games

[JKR]

But i just dont know why people continue to use twistlocks anymore. Yes TK made them and while the idea behind them is good, the plethora of cocker bodies, not to mention the weight savings alone.

I like the Minimag body. The Minimag body uses twist lock barrels and shoots very well with them.

[Nobody]

Not saying that they don't shoot good. I am weighing the difference between the lack of modern barrels made for twistlocks, and the ease of use and availability of cocker barrels in all sizes and flavors. Not to mention the simple fact that to get a regukar cocker barrel freak bored is far easier, cheaper and simpler than to try and find someone willing to take on the job, that won't cost less than a full barrel system and one where you don't turn a 1 piece barrel into a 3 piece monstrosity that may or may not shoot like the original or your memories told you...

[ghost flanker]

I like mag threaded barrels, as well. They can be removed, cleaned, and locked back into place much quicker and easier than autococker barrels, which are rather tedious to unscrew. Of course, if finding a smaller bore size is important to you, then your options will be very limited with mag barrels. They may not be the industry standard, but from a functionality standpoint, I think they are a better design.

[Nobody]

I like mag threaded barrels, as well. They can be removed, cleaned, and locked back into place much quicker and easier than autococker barrels, which are rather tedious to unscrew. Of course, if finding a smaller bore size is important to you, then your options will be very limited with mag barrels. They may not be the industry standard, but from a functionality standpoint, I think they are a better design.

Again, that was because in the early days, the bore consistency to work with the bolt of the mag, dictated the need for the bore to be a specific size. The ULE fixed that, and the new fixed cocker threads fix the 5min to take it off. I do not know about you, but i have used paint that has been around .68 to .69 and everything in between. You might get lucky in a TW freak back or even some fixed barrels, but most are not.

Simply put, carbs still workx but fuel injection is so much better. There are multiple reasons why TW died. No real sense keeping them alive.

[athomas]

A cocker barrel is more stable for accuracy than a twistlock barrel. This is due to the orings around the barrel that keep tension on it. If the barrel were an exact fit to the body, it wouldn't be an issue. But most barrels are not an exact fit, so there is movement during the firing of the gun. This is called barrel wobble. Some barrels are worst than others. A good fitting twistlock barrel won't have that much wobble and it may not even be noticable.

I have a set of different sized twist lock backs for my mag that I used to use before I had my ULE body and I loved them. They were from an Equation barrel system. I even ended up buying a set of insert backs with cocker threads for the Equation set once I had my ULE body. It is my favourite barrel of all my barrels.

[ghost flanker]

Nobody,

Meh. To each his own. You got your reasons for why you prefer autococker threads, but I still like me some twist-lock.


athomas,

That makes sense in theory, but I really do not think that there's any difference in accuracy at all between autococker and automag threaded barrels. Has it ever been demonstrated that barrel wobble actually occurs with automag threaded barrels while firing?

Hmm, I've never heard Equation barrels. What was the smallest bore size in the set you had?

[Nobody]

Nobody,

Meh. To each his own. You got your reasons for why you prefer autococker threads, but I still like me some twist-lock.


athomas,

That makes sense in theory, but I really do not think that there's any difference in accuracy at all between autococker and automag threaded barrels. Has it ever been demonstrated that barrel wobble actually occurs with automag threaded barrels while firing?

Hmm, I've never heard Equation barrels. What was the smallest bore size in the set you had?

If reasons equate to availability, commonality, lighter, better body options, better flexibility in use with both paint and guns. Well yes, it is better. Even going with a ULE body means you remove a weak point, the feedneck, then yes, so much better.

Don't get me wrong, i loved my TW Lapcos. The new detent is a godsend of simplicity and ease, though it came too late to the game. If anything, twistlock barrels are fine, it was always the body that was the sore point. Changing the body opens up a whole world of new and better options for barrels. Want to use a Stella, or a PE or whatever that was never around or made for TWs. A rotary phone works, but isn't a touchtone, cordless, or a cell phone much better than that dinosaur?

[ghost flanker]

The substantially lesser availablity/commonality of twistlock barrels is a nonissue for me. Just because something is not as common doesn't necessarily mean its design and functionality are inferior. In fact, I rather enjoy the fact that twistlocks are unique. Generally, paintball barrels really only affect air efficiency and cosmetics, and I personally think that aftermarket barrel "upgrades" are highly overrated. A large collection of barrels to select from isn't really necessary. One barrel per gun is all I need; anything more is a waste of money. Plus, I often go with the stock barrel to preserve the original look of the gun, anyway. But that's just me. If you're a barrel whore and frequently like to change things up on your gun, then cocker barrels will probably be more appealing. It all comes down to what's important to you.

I'm not saying that I don't like cocker barrels, though. They're totally fine. And the fact that they have a wider variety of body options is a big selling point. As much as I love twistlock barrels, I highly prefer center-feeds over powerfeeds. That's one thing you and I agree on. Fortunately, I'm lucky enough to own a stainless centerfeed twistlock body and it's practically the best of both worlds: low profile and 1-second barrel removal. That being said, I understand that centerfeed twistlock bodies and barrels are quite rare (though standard twistlock barrels can be modified for centerfeed rather easily) and not everybody can have one, but that's not a fault of the twistlock design. From purely a functionality standpoint, I think the 1-second removal time of both the barrel and the breech for cleaning is a major advantage over cocker barrels that should not be overlooked.

If I could design the perfect mag, it'd have an aluminum centerfeed body and a twistlock barrel.

[maniacmechanic]

My problem with TL's is bore size ,, when ya drop a Pball thru a barrel , and it Falls thru , you lose , air efficiency , consistency and accuracy , find me some TL's in the 680/684 range and then I would be ok , the stock barrels are way big on bore size ( IMO ) , and with freak backs sellin for 100$ ( insanity IMO ) now , at this point this is all a mute point anyway ( for me ) I just went with a warp ULE body

[BigEvil]

Talk to Ty Mcneer. He will do anything for a Klondike Bar...