Hyperframe/Level 10

[paintballrulzs]

interesting...I am glad i looked at this post before getting my level 10. I am shooting a hyperframed mag also. The only time i chop is when the warp is hook up and i chop horribly. Get back to us if you get the problem worked out. Also have you contacted AGD or Centerflag. I asked a ? when the level 10s were first starting to be talked about. I asked if they would work with hyperframes and someone told me they would. I will check my pm box for the pm from someone and get back to ya. Keep in touch man I want a level 10. Also there has gotta be more people with elcd frames that have level 10. Maybe it is just a fluke thing with your gun? Hey you never know.

[paintballrulzs]

I found the pm.....But this wasn't the thing i was talking about. Someone told me it would def work with a hyperframe.

PM:
Re: Hey
It should work just fine with the Hypeframe. I don't really see how the new mod could affect it, but it hasn't been tested with a Hyperframe yet.

-BlackVCG



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paintballrulzs wrote on 05-04-2002 07:08 PM:
I am really interested in the level 10 upgrade. The problem is I currenly have a hyperframe. I was curious if i should sell it now. I have a guy in my town that is interested in purchasing it off me soon. If not he will buy one online. I was curious if the level 10 would have ne effect on the hyperframe. Like will it make it obselete or noncompatable. Please if you could tell me I promise I will not tell ne 1. THANKS

[steveg]

NPP at the risk of offending those who have recommended
milling and filling etc. i'd say that they are just wrong!
filing the sear just ruins it.

The force to release the LVL10 is less than standard not more.

just a guess here (but a better one than i've read so far)
the hyperframe has an on time of 10ms (Not confirmed but
thats the most repeated number) the sear WILL be completely
depressed, but the bolt is more sluggish to react and is probably
relatching before the bolt starts to move.

try the loosest possible o-ring carrier maybe even start
with a leaky one to confirm my guess.

I'm standing by my mailbox for LVL10 for my hyperframed
mag

Do you have the new long on/off pin and rt bumper? both will reduce/eliminate bolt wear.

[NPP]

I have tried 5 different types of on/off pins and none work.

I checked my old bolt that I have been using with the hyper frame, although it fires great there is definitely wear on the bolt. What I am thinking is that the standard bolt normally comes through with such force that it powers its way over the sear and fires. Bit of bolt wear but fires okay.

With the level 10 it starts moving fairly slowly and just doesn't have enough power to trip over the sear.

With the level 10, the reg has to be screwed in a lot further to get the velocity close to 300 and so maybe there is more pressure on the on/off pin and the hypers solenoid doesn't have enough power to trip it.

The hyper only taps the sear, maybe it doesn't hit the sear long enough to let the gun fire. Is there any way of increasing the dwell time on the Hyper? Also I think the hyper is limited to 5 volts on the board, is there a way of upping the power to the solenoid apart from through service mode?(already tried this)

[steveg]

I just assumed but never asked, you are using the two step
on/off pin supplied with the hyperframe?

[the123]

A properly setup hyperframe shouldn't show you any signs of bolt wear. If you were getting bolt wear from the frame prior to installing the lvl 10, they you may have another issue that should be worked out before you scrap the idea. I installed a lvl 10 setup on my Hyperframe about a month ago and it worked, it fired, even had it chronoed to a low 240-250fps. worked ok in 2 games, but then would stop shooting.. TK made me give those parts back before i had a chance to debug it. The lvl10 parts we used in that Hyperframe fitted to an RT were from PROTOTYPE parts that were a little different than what is in your kit. (different bolt, PT tip, carrier)
I know LVL 10 worked on MY Hyperframe, so don't give up yet!!

[mxracer33x]

Try this. I never found an on off pin i was happy with, so i modified my sear. I tig welded .030" ont othe tip of the sear that hits the on off pin. Actually I welded more and ground it down to .030". I will try my lvl 10 on my hyperframe tonite and see if it will work. Ill post as soon as I know

[paintballrulzs]

Have you been able to get it working...I would love to know before i buy level 10.

[Challe]

Only problem i know with the hyperfram is that the retrovalves on/off pinns doesent work with it.

i readed something that u must use the on/off ping that comes with the hyperframe , becuse the friktion that some pins have. something

[NPP]

Still no joy.

John Sosta at Airgun Europe has said that the longer on/off pin can make the sear ride the bolt. Due to the extended pin the sear doeasn't come fully away from the bolt although I have tried it.

I haven't tried extending the sear yet but if I was going to add a piece on I would think it would be better on the tip hit by the hyper solenoid. This way the sear would be further away from the bolt but closer to the on/off pin.

Don't get me wrong the L10 mod is the best mod ever made, works perfectly with a standard frame and probably with any mechanical frame. Just the elctronic frames seem to struggle to hit the sear hard enough.

Any thoughts Airgun/Centre Flags?

[Miscue]

Originally posted by Challe
Only problem i know with the hyperfram is that the retrovalves on/off pinns doesent work with it.

i readed something that u must use the on/off ping that comes with the hyperframe , becuse the friktion that some pins have. something

? Centerflag used to recommend RT on/offs if theirs wasn't working right. They themselves would replace their on/offs with RT on/offs if they had issues.

What the Hyperframe needs is a tapered pin to reduce effort and save on battery life. Both the RT and CF on/off pins are tapered.

[NPP]

Sadly tried RT/Centreflag,standard On/off pins and none work.

[paintballrulzs]

o man i wanted level 10 too. Looks like i gotta sell the hyperframe

[Doobie]

I got my Hyper/retro to work and then ran out of air. I will test more this weekend when I can get a fill and some paint to play around with. I will post any results here.

[NPP]

Last try is this weekend, taking my setup to Airgun Europe in the hope they may be able to sort it out. Will let you know what the result is!