** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[drg]

It is strange that your orings are too loose with the smallest carrier. That rarely happens. If the orings are all too loose, you may need an oring from another batch.

Do you know where I can source these rings?

[athomas]

Do you know where I can source these rings?

You can get them at any hydraulic supplier. Or, you can get a hold of Tunaman here on AO.

[bry10bry]

Thanks

NEWB

[athomas]

NEWB

If its hesitating or not firing everytime, then you are still getting a tiny bit of bolt stick. Or it is possible that your velocity isn't high enough for the bolt spring you are using. You should be able to cycle the marker at a setting 20 fps below what your actually going to be using it at. If it won't cycle at 20 fps below the final value, then you need to use the next shorter bolt spring (If using silver, go to red. If using red, go to gold).

To reinstall the foamy, just clean the front of the bolt face really well with some good cleaner. Then reattach using a good epoxy glue. Don't use superglue, because apparently it will eat the foamy. You can use the bolt without the foamy. It will work just fine.

[C.J.]

EDIT - I just solved my own problem with the help of some previous posts in this thread.

I had two shims installed which I removed one by one. Voila! The leak is gone.
Thanks all!



Howdy all!

Just installed the Level-10 bolt on a 68 Classic Valve.

It works but has some inconsistency (chronos 285, 284, 286... 300... 280...285). I'm running anti-siphon CO2 with a PPS Stabilizer set to about 750psi.

The symptom: the Level-10 cycles correctly, however, if I continue to hold the trigger down after firing, there's a TINY "fizzle" of left-over gas that trickles down the barrel.

I don't even know if this would qualify as a "down the barrel leak" because it only lasts a couple of seconds and it's only post shot.

What's up with that?

[athomas]

EDIT - I just solved my own problem with the help of some previous posts in this thread.

I had two shims installed which I removed one by one. Voila! The leak is gone.
Thanks all!



Howdy all!

Just installed the Level-10 bolt on a 68 Classic Valve.

It works but has some inconsistency (chronos 285, 284, 286... 300... 280...285). I'm running anti-siphon CO2 with a PPS Stabilizer set to about 750psi.

The symptom: the Level-10 cycles correctly, however, if I continue to hold the trigger down after firing, there's a TINY "fizzle" of left-over gas that trickles down the barrel.

I don't even know if this would qualify as a "down the barrel leak" because it only lasts a couple of seconds and it's only post shot.

What's up with that?

The inconsistency is most likely caused by imperfect balls. The level 10 tends to be less forgiving on inconsistent sized balls when it comes to velocity.

Glad you solved the "fizzle" after a shot. The tiny leak that goes away is due to residual pressure in the air chamber. The pressure is fairly low and the carrier oring is not very tight on the bolt stem so there is less chance that the oring will seal, especially when it is very close to the vent hole. At higher pressures the carrier oring is pushed farther towards the front of the bolt which help keeps the vent hole from being exposed. Removing a shim or 2 does the same thing at lower pressures, which you discovered.

[C.J.]

The inconsistency is most likely caused by imperfect balls. The level 10 tends to be less forgiving on inconsistent sized balls when it comes to velocity.

Glad you solved the "fizzle" after a shot. The tiny leak that goes away is due to residual pressure in the air chamber. The pressure is fairly low and the carrier oring is not very tight on the bolt stem so there is less chance that the oring will seal, especially when it is very close to the vent hole. At higher pressures the carrier oring is pushed farther towards the front of the bolt which help keeps the vent hole from being exposed. Removing a shim or 2 does the same thing at lower pressures, which you discovered.

I buy that explanation. I'm using X-Ball Bronze which is "good" but not the kind of seemless, perfectly formed paint you see in a box of Hellfire. I kind of want to buy a box of Hellfire and try it out but the stuff is expensive, doesn't last forever and is so no field legal at the FPO culture around here.

[flashgordon0123]

i just sat down to do all of the advance, or more detailed step up steps from Automags.org. when i got to the shim adjustment portion when its says the bolt should just go forward and get stuck, my gun shoots good with no shims. is this a bad thing? Also, now there is this infernal high pitched leak coming from somewhere around the valve/power tube portion of the gun, but its small enough to where i can't find where its coming from, any suggestions? oh sorry, i have a 68 Automag classic with a retro valve.

Thanks in Advance

Edit: i just found out that the leak comes from out the back of the rt valve, it literallty blew the allen wrench out, the more i turn the velocity up, the more it leaks, i have the carrier with one ring in, and no shims. also the red spring is in, i don't know which is the one thats supposed to be in there, but thats the one in there, thanks


Double Edit: i kept reading on the instruction where i said that if the marker leaks out the back then switch to a shorter main spring, i switched to the shortest one and it still leaks when i turn the velocity up

[athomas]

i just sat down to do all of the advance, or more detailed step up steps from Automags.org. when i got to the shim adjustment portion when its says the bolt should just go forward and get stuck, my gun shoots good with no shims. is this a bad thing? Also, now there is this infernal high pitched leak coming from somewhere around the valve/power tube portion of the gun, but its small enough to where i can't find where its coming from, any suggestions? oh sorry, i have a 68 Automag classic with a retro valve.

Thanks in Advance

Edit: i just found out that the leak comes from out the back of the rt valve, it literallty blew the allen wrench out, the more i turn the velocity up, the more it leaks, i have the carrier with one ring in, and no shims. also the red spring is in, i don't know which is the one thats supposed to be in there, but thats the one in there, thanks


Double Edit: i kept reading on the instruction where i said that if the marker leaks out the back then switch to a shorter main spring, i switched to the shortest one and it still leaks when i turn the velocity up

A slight leak out the front is due to too many shims or a carrier that is too tight. Since you have no shims installed, you probably need to go to the next smaller carrier using the same carrier oring.

Alot of people including myself never use shims in their level 10 setups and never have problems. Shims are only needed if your bolt does not reset following a blockage in the breach. In order for shims to make the difference, you do need the carrier to be properly sized first.

You are using the most common bolt spring. You should be fine.

A leak out the back as you increase the velocity indicates a weak regulator piston assembly. the level 10 operates at a higher pressure and this causes older valves to leak as you turn up the veloctiy. Get a new regulator piston assembly and you should be fine.

[Freebird]

hello, im experiencing HUGE velocity hikes, when i chrono it in at 265 it shoots from 250-270, after about a half hour of play time i noticed balls swirlling in the air, with no broken paint in the barrel. I could also tell the velocity had jumped tremendously. I took it over to the chrono and it read 410fps, i said this chrono has got to be broken and checked the next one and after about 10 shots the velocity's ranged from 380-415fps. I am using HPA with a coiled remote line. and i also shoot procapps-proball paint. Pretty good stuff. This spike only occurd after i installed the level 10 kit. but not the first couple times i have played.

[athomas]

hello, im experiencing HUGE velocity hikes, when i chrono it in at 265 it shoots from 250-270, after about a half hour of play time i noticed balls swirlling in the air, with no broken paint in the barrel. I could also tell the velocity had jumped tremendously. I took it over to the chrono and it read 410fps, i said this chrono has got to be broken and checked the next one and after about 10 shots the velocity's ranged from 380-415fps. I am using HPA with a coiled remote line. and i also shoot procapps-proball paint. Pretty good stuff. This spike only occurd after i installed the level 10 kit. but not the first couple times i have played.

Velocity spikes like that aren't caused by the level 10. A level 10 issue usually involves the gun not firing. Sounds more like a bad regulator seat oring or a piece of dirt in the regulator seat.

[originalspyderxtra]

its not so much a problem just something i wat clarifiication too. i installed the lvl 10 on my classic r/t and it seems like there is this sweetspot where if i turn it up even a crack it leaks out the back and if i turn it don a hair it wont fire. my veloctiy is fine if not a little less than i want. is thee anyhting i can do to get moe velocity adjustment out of it, possibly spring, shims. right now im using the red spring, #2 carrier, and 2 shims.

[bry10bry]

Leaking gun

First off i am new to the MAG world and i loved this gun the first time i used it.

I chrono'd my rt pro ule fine everything is working great then after the first time I played with it, it developed a small leak that seams to be coming from the trigger. I checked the o-rings on/off pin and everything seems fine all screws are tight, its cleaned and oiled and shoots fine but still a small hiss- what could be the most likely cause of this?

-Thanks.. NEWB

[athomas]

its not so much a problem just something i wat clarifiication too. i installed the lvl 10 on my classic r/t and it seems like there is this sweetspot where if i turn it up even a crack it leaks out the back and if i turn it don a hair it wont fire. my veloctiy is fine if not a little less than i want. is thee anyhting i can do to get moe velocity adjustment out of it, possibly spring, shims. right now im using the red spring, #2 carrier, and 2 shims.

You need a new higher pressure regulator piston assembly. The level 10 bolt system works at a higher chamber pressure than the level 7. The older or worn piston assemblies release air before you get the pressure high enough to properly operate the valve at the desired velocity. Once you put a new piston assembly in, it will allow you to turn the velocity up to where the gun will shoot reliably without leaking out the back.

[athomas]

First off i am new to the MAG world and i loved this gun the first time i used it.

I chrono'd my rt pro ule fine everything is working great then after the first time I played with it, it developed a small leak that seams to be coming from the trigger. I checked the o-rings on/off pin and everything seems fine all screws are tight, its cleaned and oiled and shoots fine but still a small hiss- what could be the most likely cause of this?

-Thanks.. NEWB

First, find out for sure if the leak is coming from the powertube or from the on-off area. Most likely it is coming from the powertube area. First, take the powertube shims out of your setup and try that. If it still leaks, use the next smaller level 10 carrier with the same carrier oring. That should solve your problems.