** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[Koosh]

why not take the sideline stab off and see if the gun fires with the co2 left in your tank? Is the tank aluminum or Chrom molly? I know I was always fooled into thinking I had more co2 in my chrome molly tank than my aluminum...

I know there are people out there that use co2 and leval 10 without only having 2-3 oz of usable air. I also dispute the leval 10 needing 850-900 psi to work right, I mean, my 800 psi output crossfire tank worked great on it, I still got shots off when it went below 800 psi, the gun continued to fire (even though the velocity was crap) until there was around 400 psi in the tank before it gave up...

Just my thoughts...

[Lakeview Bulldog]

I have new 68 AutoMag Classic one of the first upgrades I was going to buy was the Level Ten. But after reading the problems people have had I am now a little intimidated. Are they really that hard to put in? Or are these just rare occurences that have all just congregated here for help? Also does the Level Ten come with a detailed instruction manual or do you have to go to the site for instructions? Thanks.

[ChucktheMAGician]

Directions are on the AGD site and here in the forum. It's not to hard just takes some time. These are the 2 pages that helped me most, other than cphilip! http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...threadid=40904

http://www.automags.org/resource/level10/index.shtml

[rtpro2002]

hey room can any one tell me. if mags shoot well with lp tanks . just wondering

[minimag187]

Gas is leaking down my barrel with my lvl 10 minimag when I gas it up.

I got it fixed, using longer spring and a new carrier.

[RoadDawg]

Level 10 problemo

OK. My problem is I got a huge leak down the barrel. I'm trying to remove the carrier but I can't get it out. What is the easiest to get it out and is that really the problem. Thanx for the help. Oh it is also on my Minimag w/ Retrovalve.

[dugger]

carrier removal

i have used a dental pick, paperclip, and a nail punch. i dont recommend the nail punch.
-dugger

[RoadDawg]

Man this thing is in tight. My dental pic isn't budging it. Any ideas?

[dugger]

carrier removal

if you have 2 of them (dental picks), try to apply force on opposite sides of the carrier. you may be unevenly applying force and making your job more difficult. otherwise, if you can get a hold of a nylon bolt and force thread it into the carrier you may be able to pry it without damaging the carrier. other than that, i am pretty much out of ideas. how much force did you have to apply to get it in there to begin with? it shouldn't have needed much...

-dugger

[RoadDawg]

Woo Hoo. I finally got it out. A dental pick and a paper clip finally got it out. It didn't take much to get it in. I think I was putting uneven pressure. Thanx for your help.

[Irish Deth]

New Game - Hunt for the Lvl 10 Instructions!

Hello,

Just a thought, could ADG please post the instructions for installing the Lvl 10 somewhere that makes sense - Like Tech manuals, or faqs, or heck - maybe under the spare parts listing. I found it once, so it wasn't hidden well enough, now I can't remeber where that was and I can't find it......

[dugger]

instructions

you may have a point....
however, i found that going to www.automags.org (also found at the bottom of every page of these threads), and clicking on the "level 10" graphic took me to a couple of sets of instructions.
-dugger
ps google works well also.

[Havoc_online]

Tankdriver
can you follow up, were you just low on air? A A.I.R. valve with level 10 shouldnt need a full 800psi to cycle, more like 600 or so. stick to cut spring and the biggest carrier that doesnt leak.(if you feel the standard spring isnt soft enough.)

Lakeview Bulldog
It's not hard, just read. Besides, if anything does happen, that's what this thread is for. Most problems are minor and quick to fix.

rtpro2002
Mags love high pressure like ppl love money

RoadDawg dugger
the certified tool for removing the carrier is the field strip screw. give it a few turns and pull.

Irish Deth
incase you didnt already find it, just goto "paintball talk" - the classic thread "all level 10 info here"

[dugger]

carrier removal

thanks havoc, i will pass that along whenever i get asked. i never even thought of that.
-dugger

[Tankdriver]

problem persists

Finally got my co2 filled. Screwed it in, a small leak out the back, i turn down the velocity, leak disappears. I proceed to dry fire ~50 shots, then after that, the bolt would only move forward about halfway before it retracts. Is this a problem with shims(i.e not venting?) or carrier size? Currently using the middle spring with 1.5 carrier. Previous attempts with the 2.0 carrier resulted in a small leak down the barrel.

PS Turning up the velocity at this point doesn't do anything. The bolt moves halfway still and makes the Pssst noise.

Another thought- Could it be that using co2 reduces the temperature thus causing the carrier/o ring to shrink and therefore increasing the friction that the bolt needs to overcome to fire?