** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[dave_p]

minimag 15xxx
intelliframe
1.5 carrier
2shims
medium spring
fires good, resets good, could be softer but vents with longest spring.

at the end of the bolt stroke it is marring the breech of my barrel(stock minimag). it is not dragging streaks down the barrel, it is leaving rings around the inside circumference of the barrel @ the last 1/4 inch on the bolt travel. it is clearing the end of the barrel fine, no marks there. is this from the dreaded barrel wobble? there is a perfect round line at the end of the bolt stroke.

does this seem normal? anything i can or should do??

*edit*this thing is really doing a number on my barrel that was pristine after 4 years of level 7 use. the breech is taking a beating, it doesnt seem right to me.

[Aegis]

Ok, getting frustrated. No leaks with two shims and the two band carrier, everything seems fine BUT..

Can't get velocity up over 270 reliably without venting out the back. Put a brand new reg piston in and it helped but did not get me in the game. Using the shortest spring as well. Larger carrier = leaks down barrel. Higher pressure to make it shoot, OK. Higher pressure to make it shoot in the 270-280 range, venting out back.

This is an older mag - are there any other wear items besides the reg piston that might contribute to this?

Thanks

Brian

[Havoc_online]

JShadow How many turns did you give the velocity? as Law said, sounds like your trigger rod length may be off, could you check it?(1.98").

dave_p dont put pressure on the barrel when you fire. Take bolt out and barrel off, see how the bolt fits the barrel.

Aegis take your valve out and see how the bolt fits inside the body(check if there's any hang-up or resistance)

[Aegis]

Thanks for the reply. The bolt fits fine in the body and the barrel. No resistance or binds.

It is right on the edge of working fine with the short spring - once velocity is up around 280, I get a verrrry faint leak out the back.

Called AGD today, they said I should send the reg piston in and get a replacement - newer pistons should blow off at 50PSI more than the older pistons.

[LaW]

so we can send in the old piston and get a free replacement??? Well then, I am not going to order one

[dave_p]

havoc

the bolt slides into the barrel fine all the way, no friction or anything. when im firing im not putting any kind of pressure on the barrel. its not scraping as its going in. its more at the end of the stroke though, just before it returns. wierd. my level 7 bolt swished that barrel, never left a mark. i know the lvl10 bolt is larger. if other people are having similar problems i wont feel so bad. id just hate for a 85 dollar bolt to put me out a 55 dollar barrel. i will say this the bolt seems a little looser on the power tube than the level 7, i will verify this later.

my new setup is minimag valve, intelliframe, 1.5 carrier, 2 shims, and short spring. cut spring was unreliable. i was getting either venting out rear or bolt stick and sometimes barrel leak. once i dropped down a spring the stick and venting appear to be alleviated. i can still induce barrel leaks by physically moving the valve or fiddling with the field strip screw .next smaller carrier will be tight though and i can get the leaking to stop by fiddling. does this happen to many folks?

also once in a while if i put a little pressure on the trigger it will hiss until i fire and then it will stop.

hey, thanks a million for keeping us all going here, youve been at this for quite a while now and you seem to be keeping your patience.

[Havoc_online]

hmmm...Im having trouble understanding what's going on. I am really tired right now so plz forgive me, lol. Anyway you could take some pics of whats going on? your field strip screw shouldnt be too tight, hand tight is fine even just over hand tight but not too much. As for the leaks your getting, just goto the next smaller carrier and see if that breaks in so it's not so tight, if your lucky you'll end up with a good final fit. If not, personally I'd start over with a new o'ring.

hey, thanks a million for keeping us all going here, youve been at this for quite a while now and you seem to be keeping your patience.

Thanks a bunch, that'll keep me going for another few pages, lol. seriously, I'm just trying to help, although sometimes I dont come to this thread as often as I used to. I can fix pretty much anything in my hands, it's just hard to solve problems over text sometimes or I'm just exhausted of posting the same solutions other times. doing my best follow up and I'll figure something out!

[dave_p]

trying to get some clear pictures of the barrel marring, not working out. will have something tomorrow. im thinking about sanding down the wide end of the bolt a wee bit(even though it seems to fit the barrel ok). ive got emerycloth, 220 and 500 grit. any suggestions?

[ChillinDaMost87]

I haven't had my emag for long and i bought it used with the lv10 already in it. Now I am still chopping and I have the longest spring in. What can be done from there?

[BlackVCG]

Originally posted by ChillinDaMost87
I haven't had my emag for long and i bought it used with the lv10 already in it. Now I am still chopping and I have the longest spring in. What can be done from there?

What kind of velocity are you shooting? What is your feed system setup? What kind of paint are you shooting? What is the temperature outside? What kind of barrel are you using? Do you have wire nubbins or plastic nubbins?

Details, Details, Details...

[ChillinDaMost87]

~292 fps. warp feed on a warp feed body w/ 12v x board. mid 30's (cold). fresh anarchy. full freak kit (used right insert) don't know what you mean by nubbins

[ChillinDaMost87]

Another thing is sometimes it seems like its short stroking even though it shouldnt technically be able to do that in electric mode. Not often but when i get really sloppy and fast on the trigger it does it. is that maybe the noise of the bolt closing on a ball but not breaking? I'm not sure what it is.

[Havoc_online]

dave_p any followups? dont take too much off the bolt, try working on the inside of the barrel.

ChillinDaMost87 it sounds a lot like a nubbin(ball detent) issue. It's very easy to mistaken the LX pinching a ball for short stroking. My guess is it's happening because your nubbin isnt doing it's job so the balls get misplaced messing everything up. check your nubbins on the barrel.(if you dont have them already, get plastic)

[dave_p]

havoc, thanks for all the help.
ive come to a conclusion. im not sanding anything. it has occured to me that if i spend 85 dollars on an upgrade, from the manufacturer, it should be compatible with the manufacturers product. no sanding, no buying another 30$ worth of parts to make it work, no weeks of setup. its absurd. i understand all the intricacies of the operation, break in, and so on. have followed directions to the letter, excercised the options and have come to the conclusion that i may have recieved a defective product and im gonna call for a replacement. and maybe a replacement for my barrel as well.
this thing should drop in and work if all the instructions are followed the right way and all the equipment was made by the same company and you shell out 85 dollars. i understand it comes with a whole slew of extra parts to make up for any inconsistencies between tolerances etc(i highly applaude AGD for this, noone else would do this for its customers). it should not be marking up my barrel, or leaking if the valve isnt situated just so.

this is not a rage or rant. i appreciate all the help sincerely. im not sour on AGD. im just not a satisfied customer with this one thing.

[Havoc_online]

good post, and a sound decision. let us know how it turns out.