** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[athomas]

Alright, so here it is: I bought a lvl 10 kit from a friend (it was still fresh-new) but it doesn't work. I have put in all the necissary parts but it happends **** when I pull the trigger. I feel a resistence in the trigger but it won't fire. If I turn up the velocity it gets harder but it refuses to fire. It fired once, with one of the longer springs and the velocity at max, but then the regulator ****ed away and the started to flow out of every hole on the marker.

So, what is the problem? how do I solve it? or should I just get something more simple that I can't break, like a Angel?

(By the way, I'm so sorry for my bad English.)

It sounds like you are probably getting bolt stick due to your carrier being too tight.

Properly size the carrier first. The carrier and oring should slide onto the bolt stem without much resistance, but should not slide on its own when held in a vertical position. Don't use shims when first tuning your level 10. That way you will know that any leaks are caused by the carrier rather than too many shims.

Use the shortest bolt spring first. That way you will be able to make sure the gun will actually fire, even if the carrier is a little too tight. The shorter bolt spring is a little more forgiving. Once you have the tuning of the carrier size done, you can go to a longer bolt spring and fine tune the operation knowing that it does work.

[Pronby]

It sounds like you are probably getting bolt stick due to your carrier being too tight.

Properly size the carrier first. The carrier and oring should slide onto the bolt stem without much resistance, but should not slide on its own when held in a vertical position. Don't use shims when first tuning your level 10. That way you will know that any leaks are caused by the carrier rather than too many shims.

Use the shortest bolt spring first. That way you will be able to make sure the gun will actually fire, even if the carrier is a little too tight. The shorter bolt spring is a little more forgiving. Once you have the tuning of the carrier size done, you can go to a longer bolt spring and fine tune the operation knowing that it does work.

Ok, I check this asap. Thx mate.

[Pronby]

Damn, I'm stupid. I thought of the outside size of the carrier, not the inside. Now I've got one that is working. Till next week this little baby should be rocking. Thanks again mate!

[ahellers]

not sure if this is a problem with ult or lvl 10 but, it seems when i fire fast, and possably short stroke it alittle that the bolt wount reset, i get reactivity in the trigger but it wont fire, i have to take off the tank and put it back up, could this have somthing to do with the lvl 10?
thanks
its an emag valve by the way, but not on an emag and has ult.
thanks guys
t

[athomas]

It could definately be either. Try removing a shim from the ULT first. Then, if it still persists, go with the next size larger carrier. Remove the powertube shims first. If you get it working, you can put the powertube shims back in later.

[Pronby]

I would appreciate fast help! I have a tourney this weekend and my hopes and dreams were to kick a$$ with my Micromag. It's a lvl10 Micromag.

I've installed the lvl 10 "properly", since last sunday (when I installed it) a managed to shoot Cronic 420 without chopping. It worked perfectly.
Yesterday when I gassed up it started to leak down the barrel and sometimes when I fired it seemed like I was short-stroking. Turning the velocity up or down doesn't make crap.
I've checked the internals, the carrier have got the perfect size, one size bigger is too big and one size smaller is too small. I've tested to both add and remove shims. I've tried with one, two and three shims. No difference att all.
I've lubricated everthing that might need some too.

About the "short-stroking".
Sometimes it happend when shooting "fast" (about 3 bps) and one time I shoot about twenty rounds and them all sounded like I was short-stroking.

I might add that I was only shooting empty air, but I've tried a few rounds with real balls too. Same effect.

This is really annoying, especially when it worked perfect last sunday. And that I've got a tourney this weekend dosen't make it better.

[athomas]

I would appreciate fast help! I have a tourney this weekend and my hopes and dreams were to kick a$$ with my Micromag. It's a lvl10 Micromag.

I've installed the lvl 10 "properly", since last sunday (when I installed it) a managed to shoot Cronic 420 without chopping. It worked perfectly.
Yesterday when I gassed up it started to leak down the barrel and sometimes when I fired it seemed like I was short-stroking. Turning the velocity up or down doesn't make crap.
I've checked the internals, the carrier have got the perfect size, one size bigger is too big and one size smaller is too small. I've tested to both add and remove shims. I've tried with one, two and three shims. No difference att all.
I've lubricated everthing that might need some too.

About the "short-stroking".
Sometimes it happend when shooting "fast" (about 3 bps) and one time I shoot about twenty rounds and them all sounded like I was short-stroking.

I might add that I was only shooting empty air, but I've tried a few rounds with real balls too. Same effect.

This is really annoying, especially when it worked perfect last sunday. And that I've got a tourney this weekend dosen't make it better.

Note, this is probably not the problem since it was working before, but it is a suggestion to check anyway. Are you sure the level 10 fits the body properly? Some level 10 bolts are tight in the mictomag bodies. You may have to take a piece of sandpaper and polish the front lip of the bolt to make it fit properly.

What bolt spring are you using? Try the short gold one that came with the bolt. It will give you the best chance of operation. You can move to the red spring after you ensure the system works. If by chance, you put your original bolt spring in, you could be getting bolt stick due to a worn spring.

[Pronby]

Note, this is probably not the problem since it was working before, but it is a suggestion to check anyway. Are you sure the level 10 fits the body properly? Some level 10 bolts are tight in the mictomag bodies. You may have to take a piece of sandpaper and polish the front lip of the bolt to make it fit properly.

What bolt spring are you using? Try the short gold one that came with the bolt. It will give you the best chance of operation. You can move to the red spring after you ensure the system works. If by chance, you put your original bolt spring in, you could be getting bolt stick due to a worn spring.

I didn't have time to check this before the weekend but I went fine anyway since a teammate lended me his Ion.

I'm using the red one but I'll switch and check it. The other long spring, what's the diffrence between that and the red one?

As I said I'll check this as soon as I have air. Which will be on sunday, if I'm lucky.

[athomas]

I'm using the red one but I'll switch and check it. The other long spring, what's the diffrence between that and the red one?

The long silver spring is stiffer than the red one. It will make the bolt move with less force than the red at the same velocity setting. The short gold spring will make the bolt move with more force at the same velocity setting.

The carrier size is your most important setting in the level 10 setup.

[Pronby]

The long silver spring is stiffer than the red one. It will make the bolt move with less force than the red at the same velocity setting. The short gold spring will make the bolt move with more force at the same velocity setting.

The carrier size is your most important setting in the level 10 setup.

Aight, then I know. So if I change the spring I don't need to recalibrate the velocity?

Yeah, and now I really have the most perfect size. As I said earlier, one size bigger is away too big, one size smaller is away too small.

[athomas]

Aight, then I know. So if I change the spring I don't need to recalibrate the velocity?

Yeah, and now I really have the most perfect size. As I said earlier, one size bigger is away too big, one size smaller is away too small.

You do need to readjust the velocity when you change springs. When I referred to the "same velocity setting", I was meaning "the same velocity". I should have been more clear.

This is a great site for paintball information. Lots of smart people with technical skills.

[Pronby]

You do need to readjust the velocity when you change springs. When I referred to the "same velocity setting", I was meaning "the same velocity". I should have been more clear.

This is a great site for paintball information. Lots of smart people with technical skills.

Ah, then I'm with ya.

Hehe, I know, that's why I'm here. Well, I do not belong to the "smart people with technical skills", I belong to the ones seeking information. And sometimes it works.

[nathanjones008]

tech Question

hello everyone. I lhave a power feed body for a 68 automag with a xvlave, i also have a standard feed body. I am asking will a level 10 bolt cancel out blowback? if so is a power feed body not needed? i hope so it is so much easier to aim with a standared feed body.

thanks. nathan

[The_Don_83]

Guys,

Post your LVL10 issues here we will try to help.

AGD

Hello,

I don't know if its the level 10, plastic nubbin in the barrel, or something different, but please help!!!!


I keep breaking paint and shootin out multiple balls. I just put on a new plastic nubbin so thats not the problem. Sometimes when I hold the gun down a ball will roll out after I shoot the gun. Sometimes 2 or 3 balls will come out at once. What is happening?

Thanks,
Mike

[don miguel]

Hello,

I don't know if its the level 10, plastic nubbin in the barrel, or something different, but please help!!!!


I keep breaking paint and shootin out multiple balls. I just put on a new plastic nubbin so thats not the problem. Sometimes when I hold the gun down a ball will roll out after I shoot the gun. Sometimes 2 or 3 balls will come out at once. What is happening?

Thanks,
Mike

that's a sign of weak ball detents (in your case nubbins). what barell do you use? is it made by agd? or is it aftermarket?