** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[Plazmic]

It's just getting broken in so you need to move down one carrier size.

I am using a lvl 10 with 3 shims and the small spring. I couldn't get velocity high enough with the larger spring. It was working perfect utill about 500 rounds went through it. Now it leaks, it stops though if i push the bolt back with my finger. What should I do to get it working better.

[SwinGenX]

JDaniels, Sorry, I meant to include you on that last post to Darkknightheaven. You probably also need to get a new reg piston from AGD. If you are working fine with the Level 10 but just can't get your velocity up before it vents then it's the reg piston. The Level 10 needs a higher blow-off pressure than the old reg piston will allow.

If you are shooting hot, however, you may not need the reg piston. It is okay to use the stock spring, you just won't get quite the same bounce off of a ball in the breach and may get the occasional chop. I used the stock spring when I was on a classic valve and didn't chop a ball for months at a time.

I hope that helps.

I think this post is gonna help me out. I can turn up my velocity just enough to get my gun to fire and it begins to vent. Even with smallest spring I can't fire consistently without venting. I'm going to order my replacement Regulator Piston Assembly and give it a shot. Plazmic, is this true for all Classic Automag Reg's? I had this problem with my vintage 68, but I have two other "Classic" mags I can try. You could save me some time and perhaps some money if you can confirm one way or the other.

Thanks,
SwinGenX

[Plazmic]

I think this post is gonna help me out. I can turn up my velocity just enough to get my gun to fire and it begins to vent. Even with smallest spring I can't fire consistently without venting. I'm going to order my replacement Regulator Piston Assembly and give it a shot. Plazmic, is this true for all Classic Automag Reg's? I had this problem with my vintage 68, but I have two other "Classic" mags I can try. You could save me some time and perhaps some money if you can confirm one way or the other.

Thanks,
SwinGenX

As far as I know this is the case with all A.I.R. valves. If you want to be sure about it, though, you should just call up AGD and ask them. They'll give you an absolute answer. In my experience, though, all of the classic valves have a vent pressure that is too low and will generally need the new reg piston to run the Level 10 well. It's worth the investment.

AGD Numbers:

Office Telephone: (847) 520-7507
Tech Support Telephone: (847) 520-7225

[HurleyHero67]

I recently bought a LvL 10 but I don't think it came with a backing washer, or at least I can't make it out from the other ones (They all fit carriers Anyway, are they imperative or can I go ahead and just install the carrier and go on with installment? Or do you absolutely need a backing washer back there. Thanks in advance.

[Plazmic]

You do need that backing washer. It is plastic rather than rubber, though. Mine was not the same color as in the diagram, if that helps you at all.

[HurleyHero67]

Damn, he didn't give me anything plastic. What can I do about this? If I bring it to a proshop do you think they will have some or anything

[HurleyHero67]

Heres the thread...this is what I bought, and this pic is exactly what I have. Can someone point out which one is the backing washer for me? Or if there is one?

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=131646

[Plazmic]

Is that white ring in the center of the 3 not different than the others? The pic is too small for me to be sure, but that looks like my backing washer. My backer is white like that.

[Plazmic]

Here's the link to where you can buy a new one from AGD. Mine looks like this one, but it's white instead of black.

Level 10 Backing Washer

[HurleyHero67]

They are all the same size, so the whole idea of the backing washer not letting the other ones falling into the air chamber wouldn't work if that was the case, cause it's the same size. But it's only .50, I'll just be on the safe side and pick one of those up. Thanks for the help.

[Plazmic]

If those are all the same size then, yeah, he stiffed you the washer. It does not look like the others up close. It's plastic and flat.

Glad I could help!

[jsmz27]

I have an older RT with the level 10 kit in. I have a slight problem with the paitballs not feeding into the breach all the time. I have no leaks and the gun shoots great when the balls feed. You have to manually push the paint through the power feed. Also the gun goes through the air pretty fast. Any help would be appreciated. Anybody please respond!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HurleyHero67]

When I'm installing, it seems that the power tube tip won't really go in all the way (inside the power tube) but I figured what the heck and slapped on the superbolt, well it won't close all the way. So something won't go all the way in. I think it's the carrier but I can't tell.

[Plazmic]

I had that same problem. I took a new pencil with a flat, clean eraser, and pushed it down. It was just stuck or something.

[REDRT]

After sifting though all the posts I still didn't find the exact help I was looking for. So I bought this LvL 10 bolt for my classic rt. It has the (.5/.316) carrier in it. The o-ring is well broke in now. The next size carrier (1/.318) will have a slight leak. I can do 3 shimes. The 4th will leak. The longest spring with the kit shots at 299fps plus. So I dropped to the middle spring that was supplied with the kit. Now it is shoooting reliably at 280/290fps. Everything is ok, but it still hits with some force. I did the dollar test like in the video and it will shove it right into the barrel pretty hard! So I tried putting a smaller carrier (0/.314)w/ the broke in o-ring in to put more drag on the bolt. I had to turn the velocity nut up a bit to compensate with no luck with the buck test. I've replaced the regulator piston w/the springs, the on/off valve pin and the o-rings in the valve thus far. Now if the field gets some less fragile paint like they say, it will most likely be fine. Before the level 10 a couple hundred breaks out of a case and now under a hundred. Still not the best, but I'm getting there. Any suggestions to improve this situation is appreciated. Thanks