** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[Carbon Blue]

if you were getting bolt stick wouldnt you have to go to a bigger carrier not a smaller one? Have you tried using the longest spring with your current setup? have you tried increasing your velocity until it starts to leak air out the back and lower it down just so when it stops? what is your input psi. You would need anywhere from 850-1000 input psi into your gun.

[Hornet2099]

My bad

Yes i mean't i went to a bigger one. Sorry i've been troubleshooting it all day. I'm running a preset 800psi into my gun and I have used the longest spring. I'm running 5 or 6 shims in the ult trigger. I have not tried turning the velocity up all the way and then backing it down. But as of right now the anti chop will not work and i cannot sweet spot it. I have the longest spring in and 6 shims.

[Battlewear]

Battlewear-

Ditch all of the shims.

Go to the gold spring and use that.

Use the largest carrier that doesn't leak using the SAME o-ring. Pull out the o-ring from the carrier each time and put it in the new carrier you install to test.

Hi there..

I was just thinking and I would like to know what you and others think about this..

I was running exactly how I wanted the LX to run when I had .5 Carrier with middle spring and 2 shims except for the fact that I got the leak when I took my finger off the trigger (no pressure on the trigger)..

Should I look at moving to the 0 Carrier?? It is basically leaking down the barrel with the .5, would it not be better to move to the 0 carrier so that I can keep the softness of the bolt for tourney play?

Just a thought I had this morning

PS. I am still using the same Carrier O-Ring that I have since the start so no worries there! I know they need to get broken in

[drewrw]

hey ive got a rt ule custom with lvl10. it resets fine and no bolt stick......... but it seems like it would chop a misfed ball.... should i just go up the next longest spring? im using the stock spring...

[CMDane]

No cycling, no nuthin'

I'm completely at a loss here. LX worked for a long time, then I started having problems. Other issues cropped up and not I'm not sure what the problem(s) is/are.

LX was working, then I had a broken spring. Replaced the spring (I don't remember which one it is now, I think it was the cut), LX worked. Got a Z-grip, put it on and spent the better part of 2 months trying to get it to shoot (adjusting the sear length), only to find out that the on/off pin was the wrong size. Got the correct on/off pin (and adjusted the sear to the proper length) and everything was fine. The pin sticks slightly out of the valve and requires taking the mainbody off of the rail and manually pushing the pin in to remove the valve.

Rewind to the last day I played in March. LX started leaking, then got to the point of not shooting. I put the RTP away and pulled out the Micro. Promptly forgot about the RTP.

Pulled out the RTP to try to get it going. Went through the installation process, starting with a 2 carrier, 2 shims and the cut spring. Gassed it up, but it wouldn't cycle. Installed the short spring, gassed it up and it would shoot once, but the recharge was very slow (2-3 seconds). Slight barrel leak with both springs.

1.5 carrier, 2 shims, cut spring. No cycle. Slow barrel leak.
1.5 carrier, 2 shims, short spring. Slow recharge, slightly better than before. Slow barrel leak.
1 carrier, 2 shims, cut spring. No cycle, no leak.
1 carrier, 2 shims, short spring. Slow recharge, slightly better than the 1.5 carrier, no leak.
.5 carrier, 2 shims, cut spring. No cycle, no leak.
.5 carrier, 2 shims, short spring. No cycle, no leak.
0 carrier, 2 shims, cut spring. No cycle, no leak.
0 carrier, 2 shims, short spring. No cycle, no leak.

All of these steps started out at the velocity last played with in March, roughly 280 on the chrono. Regulator was turned up roughly 3/4 turns until it vented out the back. I'm at a loss here and about to take the LX out and just go to the L7. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

RTPro
1st generation Z-grip
.73 on/off pin (would NOT shoot with a .75!)
900# System-X tank

Update #1
Took out the LX, installed the L7 kit with a .225 spacer. Shot like it did when I first got it and the LX had just finished breaking in. So, it is a problem with the LX and not the length of the on/off pin.

[ChucktheMAGician]

Ditch all of the shims.

Go to the gold spring and use that.

Use the largest carrier that doesn't leak using the SAME o-ring. Pull out the o-ring from the carrier each time and put it in the new carrier you install to test.

That's the best short answer to LX I've seen! I use the middle spring and whatever carrier doesn't leak and no shims!

[fizzle]

hey whats up everyone long time reader first time poster. i got an automag classic with power feed r/t valve, and teflon body.i bought it used from some guy for $150 complete with some other stuff include, so basically all i needed was a $100 nitro tank. i went to a paintball store, paintball depot, to pick up a level 10 kit. they were selling them for $95 but the guy said he couldnt install due to the fact that it had to go back to airgun designs for some piece. well i want to try it myself. im pretty mechanically inclined, so i dont think it will be a problem. i heard tho that there are many small and tough parts in my gun, so what do you guys think? by the way what part is he talking about? and i see lots of post with people having problems, so should i install or send it somewhere? by the way, kinda off this topic, but they guy who sold me a gun gave me a evolution hopper. its horrible. what do you guys recommend? looking at the evo 2 or apache. give me some info. thanks guys in advance.

[drewrw]

Install it yourself just refer back to this forum when you have problems and the mag guru's should have you covered. Hopper: I would get a evo2 or a reloader by empire.

[fizzle]

thanks alot. yea i guess i could try but they said there is a certain part that older mags dont have that only airgun has. im gonna start after my last week paintballing this season outdoors. so hopefully if anything happens i have time to fix. thanks guys. by the way looed for hoppers. which one reloader halo or b or what? theres like 3 different versions. also where is a good spot to pick up the level 10 kit online? thanks

[drewrw]

www.pbgear.com

www.pbgear.com is a good place to get lvl10. For the hopper the empire reloader looks kinda like a 12 volt revvy but from the reviews i read at www.pbreview.com its much better and feeds faster and it is only 43 dollars also at www.pbgear.com

[crane1]

Level 10 Leakage

I Am Having A Small Leakage From The P-tube. I Have The Smallest Carrier Added Shims And Taken Away Shims From My Mini-mag Still Leaks. I Put A New P-tube O-ring And It Still Leaks. I Don't Know What The Problem Is, Could It Be My On/off Valve Not Sealing Properly Or My Valve Pin Is Too Short. Need Help !!

[Suspect John]

Any Level 10 istruction videos

The mini disk the kit cam with does not work. I am attempting to install the Level 10.

Thanks, John

[Rift]

http://www.airgun.com/xmag/html/lvl10.html any other questiosn feel free to ask =)

[Suspect John]

Thanks, that was a great help.

[jamescell]

I just had my power tube tip break off! It's now stuck in the bolt, what to do?