** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[athomas]

Got a new valve and with lvl 10 installed for my emag, Shoots great but I note's I was breaking paint, Yes its really cheap paint but I though id investigate the tuning of the lvl 10. Set up as follows, lightest spring (gold?) 2 shims 1 dot carrier.

The bolt didn't leak but was very loss with the one dot carrier so I though Ill slow it down some with the blank Carrier, stuck my squeegee down in the breach and tested the bolt. It hit it a bit hard so I tested it with my finger (Iv done it before) and it pinched me much harder then my old valve.

My last valve I had much success with red spring blank carrier and no shims. So I tried this same set up for this new valve.

Gun wont fire... I turn velocity up tell it stops turning and still wont fire, tank was low but still had over 1k psi even tried with single dot carrier and still won't fire.

Suggestions?

Always use the largest carrier that doesn't leak. If you need to slow down the bolt, do it with a heavier spring. Tightening the carrier will induce bolt stick, especially as you reach optimum sensitivity.

Make sure to remove the shims when tuning. They can give you a false leak when selecting carrier sizes. You can put them back in after you are finished but you probably will never need them anyway.

When testing your setup, make sure you hold the squeegie against the front of the bolt. If you hold it in front of the bolt and the bolt makes it past 1/4", it will hit hard.

Check your paint by dropping it down your barrel. It should push in with no effort at all. It should almost fall in. If it is tight, that is probably why you are breaking it.

[kcombs9]

Always use the largest carrier that doesn't leak. If you need to slow down the bolt, do it with a heavier spring. Tightening the carrier will induce bolt stick, especially as you reach optimum sensitivity.

Make sure to remove the shims when tuning. They can give you a false leak when selecting carrier sizes. You can put them back in after you are finished but you probably will never need them anyway.

When testing your setup, make sure you hold the squeegie against the front of the bolt. If you hold it in front of the bolt and the bolt makes it past 1/4", it will hit hard.

Check your paint by dropping it down your barrel. It should push in with no effort at all. It should almost fall in. If it is tight, that is probably why you are breaking it.

the paint is really small and was falling into my .682 insert, I normally underbore with no problems with Barrel breaks.

This was a Chop cause there was paint in the breach, feed neck and on the bolt/power tube.

Ill try more tuning this weekend when I get to the field and more air.

[Ando]

Try it out with some better paint. Stick your finger down in the breach and see if you have a bur cutting the balls. I had a detent blow once and basicly turned the marker into a blender.

[athomas]

I had a detent do the same thing to me as well. Also, brittle paint that is really small can be a problem, because the next ball sits low in the breach. The level 10 won't help this because the bolt is up to full power at the point of impact with the bottom of the ball, which is different than a chop which is a ball part way in the breach. These breaks only occur with brittle paint that can be damaged with a glancing blow.

[fierymartel]

So, if my mag cycles without paint, I have the largest carrier that won't leak, and the bolt stops on paint in the breach; I need to turn up the velocity?

[athomas]

So, if my mag cycles without paint, I have the largest carrier that won't leak, and the bolt stops on paint in the breach; I need to turn up the volume?

I'm not sure I understand the question?

[fierymartel]

sorry, I meant velocity. My crossfire tanks ran out of air(850psi). I then tried my PE tanks and the marker would cycle, but not with paint. With paint, the bolt would stop and reset.

[secretweaponevan]

sorry, I meant velocity. My crossfire tanks ran out of air(850psi). I then tried my PE tanks and the marker would cycle, but not with paint. With paint, the bolt would stop and reset.

Turn up the velocity or use a weaker bolt spring.

[fierymartel]

cool, so I go to the field Saturday and am shooting hot, I just use a softer spring.

[Ando]

Go with the red or gray spring, set your velocity and buy some new paint.

Might have sticky or worn detents. Place them in a cup with hot water and swish them around with a fork or spoon to clean them up. Press on the ball under water to get all the crud out of them as well. Just change them out for GP and try it again.

If you have an adj force feed hopper, lean out the amount of pressure it's putting on the balls to your marker or go with a revy and shoot about 6-8 balls a sec and see if there's any change or chopping.

Do one at a time so you can figure out WTH is going on with your marker.

[athomas]

sorry, I meant velocity. My crossfire tanks ran out of air(850psi). I then tried my PE tanks and the marker would cycle, but not with paint. With paint, the bolt would stop and reset.

If it is stopping on paint, it is set too soft. You will need to increase the velocity setting to make it cycle consistently with paint. Find the lowest velocity that the gun cycles at. Then increase the velocity about 20fps higher than that for consistent operation. If the new velocity is too high, then you will need to use a smaller/lighter spring. If the velocity is way too low, you should use a stiffer spring.

[fierymartel]

Thanks guys!

[kcombs9]

Try it out with some better paint. Stick your finger down in the breach and see if you have a bur cutting the balls. I had a detent blow once and basicly turned the marker into a blender.

no bur in the breach, the red spring at the ends of it where too tight and would pinch the bolt so much it would not shoot. I filed it down some and works just great now.

[athomas]

no bur in the breach, the red spring at the ends of it where too tight and would pinch the bolt so much it would not shoot. I filed it down some and works just great now.

It is possible that the body washer is mushroomed. Your filing freed things up. Check the body washer. If it is indeed mushroomed, it should be filed out so that it is the proper size again.

[kcombs9]

It is possible that the body washer is mushroomed. Your filing freed things up. Check the body washer. If it is indeed mushroomed, it should be filed out so that it is the proper size again.

I don't think this is the case, the lightest spring worked fine and the bolt slids past the washer with no problems, it was a new lvl 10 kit and the red one just had a small flaw on the end of it.