** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[athomas]

how bout this #2 says turn reg nut till it shoots or vents out back

http://www.airgundesignsusa.com/debug.shtml#g3

what if my tank doesnt output enough for an xvalve but barely enough for a minimag valve....?
im using a 68/45 with a gen1 myth reg outputs 650psi still if it wasnt enough, when i run the reg nut out to the line the pin doesnt "make" it shoot till i slowly turn it up and i hear a click in the valve..... then i pull the trigger and bolt stick.

Level 10 bolts operate at a higher chamber pressure. That is probably part or most of the problem, especially if the tank output is even a bit lower than it should be due to the regulator spring weakening with use.

[redfireant3]

ok, will hit the proshop with my old 48/3k crossfire tomorrow and if he lets me straight connect the scuba to the valve hehehehehh

[redfireant3]

getting closer i think. with the crossfire tank it doesnt leak when I hold the trigger but instead it fires once or full auto and i feel alot of springy pressure on the trigger and as high or low that I turn the velocity it does nothing till I take it apart. this time I see the oring that sits in the valve pin cup jammed into the reg opening (the recessed part big enough for the oring.)

[athomas]

getting closer i think. with the crossfire tank it doesnt leak when I hold the trigger but instead it fires once or full auto and i feel alot of springy pressure on the trigger and as high or low that I turn the velocity it does nothing till I take it apart. this time I see the oring that sits in the valve pin cup jammed into the reg opening (the recessed part big enough for the oring.)

Where on the valve is this oring loose.

See pic.

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[redfireant3]

"same as on/off o-ring" if i put that on the "reg valve pin assy" it fires once or full autos then it does nothing. (during air-up and holding trigger) I can see now it is ment to be pressed into that slot.

-I can feel the trigger is charged but nothing happens when i pull it, (it just springs back in place)
-velocity is all the way up.
-I thought it might be the carrier I went from 1.5 all the way to 4 and still nothing.

also- i wondered if my on/off was sealing so i put the valve in w/o a bolt and it was properly sealed with trigger pulled.

[redfireant3]

FIXED! sorta
problem: irregular rail or bolt body.
fix: loosen body screw to almost falling out and TIGHTEN field strip screw with allen key till fire correctly.

tweaking though, it fires manual pulls fine. i get 2-3 RT shots off then it sticks, slowly repressurizes the on/off then trigger reset. any ideas?

[athomas]

"same as on/off o-ring" if i put that on the "reg valve pin assy" it fires once or full autos then it does nothing. (during air-up and holding trigger) I can see now it is ment to be pressed into that slot.

This oring is held in place by the regulator seat holder.

You know now that the on-off is sealing. Without the bolt, if it releases air when you release the trigger, then you know it is opening too. If not then, then there is an on-off problem. If it is releasing air when the trigger is released, then the problem is in the powertube or the regulator is not allowing enough pressure to push the bolt forward.

Are both springs installed in the velocity adjuster?

[athomas]

FIXED! sorta
problem: irregular rail or bolt body.
fix: loosen body screw to almost falling out and TIGHTEN field strip screw with allen key till fire correctly.

tweaking though, it fires manual pulls fine. i get 2-3 RT shots off then it sticks, slowly repressurizes the on/off then trigger reset. any ideas?

If something is out of alignment such that it causes any twisting of the body or causes the valve to be misaligned, it will have bolt stick issues.

[athomas]

What type of rail are you using?

[redfireant3]

standard rail on both markers (Left hand powerfeed and a ULE body) i got to thinking... maybe the RT problem is my air source? im gonna try it on someone elses mag next scenario to see if the valve is way out of wack. and another tank.

[Tunaman]

getting closer i think. with the crossfire tank it doesnt leak when I hold the trigger but instead it fires once or full auto and i feel alot of springy pressure on the trigger and as high or low that I turn the velocity it does nothing till I take it apart. this time I see the oring that sits in the valve pin cup jammed into the reg opening (the recessed part big enough for the oring.)

The oring should be installed in the back half of the reg before screwing it together. When you take it apart, sometimes the oring is located inside of the brass reg seat. Take the oring out of there and put it back in the reg body. make sure the reg pin orings are not dirty. This is where all the gunk passing through the gun winds up.

[Tunaman]

and if you cant get it going, just send it here and I'll take care of it.

[Hobbez]

I'm finally a mag owner again after a good 10 years. Most stupid thing I did was sell that old automag. Anyway, I purchased a used marker and it came with the level 10 bolt installed. Is this bolt supposed to have a foamie on it? Mine does not, but looks like it did at one point. Also, I did not get any of the other parts that come in the level 10 kit. If I have problems, where can these parts be aquired? I see the AGD website has a lot of parts, but I am not familiar with which ones are level 10 set-up specific. Any info would be helpful, thanks

[athomas]

I'm finally a mag owner again after a good 10 years. Most stupid thing I did was sell that old automag. Anyway, I purchased a used marker and it came with the level 10 bolt installed. Is this bolt supposed to have a foamie on it? Mine does not, but looks like it did at one point. Also, I did not get any of the other parts that come in the level 10 kit. If I have problems, where can these parts be aquired? I see the AGD website has a lot of parts, but I am not familiar with which ones are level 10 set-up specific. Any info would be helpful, thanks

It does come with a foamy. It really isn't needed. It will work fine without it. The foamy prevents the ball from rolling back into the face of the bolt, which allows the next ball in the stack to sit lower in the breach. The slower start of the level 10 bolt prevents chopping of the ball in the stack. The only issue could be with really small paint. Then the foamy may help. Otherwise, get a foamy when you can, but don't worry about it if you don't have one.

You can get level 10 parts individually at AGD. You should have a spare spring and a spare oring, as well as a few different sized carriers.

[kcombs9]

Got a new valve and with lvl 10 installed for my emag, Shoots great but I note's I was breaking paint, Yes its really cheap paint but I though id investigate the tuning of the lvl 10. Set up as follows, lightest spring (gold?) 2 shims 1 dot carrier.

The bolt didn't leak but was very loss with the one dot carrier so I though Ill slow it down some with the blank Carrier, stuck my squeegee down in the breach and tested the bolt. It hit it a bit hard so I tested it with my finger (Iv done it before) and it pinched me much harder then my old valve.

My last valve I had much success with red spring blank carrier and no shims. So I tried this same set up for this new valve.

Gun wont fire... I turn velocity up tell it stops turning and still wont fire, tank was low but still had over 1k psi even tried with single dot carrier and still won't fire.

Suggestions?